Underhill on Payton (1 Viewer)

[St. Widge]

Last time I reviewed, Nick’s business model is driven by recurring revenue. Wish he would allow persons to buy annual subscriptions via one-time payment.

I mean, you can cancel the subscription right before the end of your year if you don't want to continue for another year, but I would prefer that you be able to just buy a year without is automatically renewing.

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

What even is sportskeeda?

Sounds like something you need an anti itch ointment for.

 

[St. Widge]

Every option states “Recurring Payment”. Guess I could buy an annual gift subscription for myself?

I don't see why you couldn't buy the one year gift subscription. But, you could just sign up for the annual recurring and then just cancel a couple days before your year is up.

 

[fdl16]

Threads like this are why I've spent far less time on this forum this year. Don't do this to yourselves, guys. It's an endless wringing of hands over here over something that isn't going to happen anytime soon. It's exhausting.

 

[Analyze This]

I don't see why you couldn't buy the one year gift subscription. But, you could just sign up for the annual recurring and then just cancel a couple days before your year is up.

Agree. Just found the gift option. It fits my requirements. Expect a busy offseason and Nick is a trusted source. Plan to purchase.

 

[Thunderchild]

Threads like this are why I've spent far less time on this forum this year. Don't do this to yourselves, guys. It's an endless wringing of hands over here over something that isn't going to happen anytime soon. It's exhausting.

Yes! Most of the posters here don't even know what Nick said in his podcast. I listened and here are a few highlights:

* People are trying to interpret silence, no facts to interpret.
* Speculates that Networks may have approached him. What better time to do so than after a tough season?
* No one knows anything.
* If pressed to make some kind of statement, Nick expects Payton to show up at the senior bowl.
* He mentions zip about Payton going to other teams, just talks about the speculation by others regarding a broadcasting career.
* Until now, Nick has said nothing because there is nothing to report. He only posted this members only podcast on the topic because he felt an obligation to his subscribers.
* He talked a little about how the Saints might handle losing CSP if he chose to retire anytime soon while making it clear that he was not speculating that retirement to be the case.

Back to my opinions:
Look, people are trying to use "silence" to promote clicks and get attention. None of these so-called talking heads have any insight at all. Ignore the voluminous crap that is meaningless.

And subscribe to Nick's site (I got mine as a gift). Best Saints analysis out there. The full podcast is a worthy listen.

 

[Loco Hornet Fan]

Jumping the gun without the facts and reporting a story just to get click bait is the very definition of a bad reporter.

I mean…that was pretty much my point.

 

[MJ in Calif]

I mean…that was pretty much my point.

I guess I misinterpreted your post.

 

[Jesse Custer]

Look, people are trying to use "silence" to promote clicks and get attention. None of these so-called talking heads have any insight at all. Ignore the voluminous crap that is meaningless.

This infests every facet of the 24 hour news cycle. Denzel had a great statement about it.

 

[RJ in Lafayette]

Were hypothetically Payton going to leave, I would expect an announcement very quickly rather than three weeks from now. The season ended for the Saints two weeks ago. Leaving would put the Saints in a tough spot. Leaving three weeks from now would put the Saints in an incredibly tough spot--unless the motivation is to reduce substantially the team's options with regard to hiring someone outside the building and to force team management to promote as head coach someone currently on the staff. Again we are talking hypothetically because I do not believe this speculation is anything other than speculation, but in my opinion, a resignation by Payton would call for a full and open search to hire the best coach and not rote promotion of someone on the staff.

 

[60minutes]

Wait, what?

Ian and Underhill’s reports were very different. As you said, one was way more sensationalist than the other.

We don’t know for certain if Ian’s report is wrong yet, but at this point in time, it is most certainly sensationalist/clickbait.

“Ian is not a bad reporter…he is just someone who jumps the gun…with a tad more sensationalism.” is also a pretty generous description of him.

That “reporter” has literally been reporting that Payton was leaving since 2015 (multiple reports across multiple years).

The point I am making is that the information, at its core, is the same. There has been complete silence coming from Payton and no one knows exactly what that means. And as I said before, it is not just the media. There are other people Sean is normally in contact with who do not know. I certainly agree that the delivery between Nick and Ian is different, thus the reference to the sensationalism on the part of the latter.

But even Nick admitted he thought about writing an article about what was going on prior to today and resisted because he understands what happens when you put pen to paper. Once you write that story, you are kind of making a statement even if you are not trying to make a statement. If I came here and said, Sean has not met with coaches as he does right after the season ends or that he has gone radio silent, it could open a can of worms. So, sometimes, you just sit and wait. Nick has restraint. Ian does and this is why I said he jumps the gun. But his reporting, at least in this specific case, is not wrong.

And I stand by my statement that Nick would say that Ian is not a bad reporter. Or rather he would defend Ian, surprising as that might sound.

 

[60minutes]

Jumping the gun without the facts and reporting a story just to get click bait is the very definition of a bad reporter.

I guess I misinterpreted your post.

"Jumping the gun," at least in this instance, does not mean that he does not have facts. Again, Nick has stated that he almost wrote an article about the fact that no one knows what Sean is doing. And he was not the only local reporter who debated on whether or not to address it. Heck, there was one instance in which I almost stated something similarly a week or so ago. Ian does not sit on anything because his job is to break big stories. Nick has a long-term view of things and shows more restraint as do some of the other reporters. Plus, they understand how New Orleans Saints fans will feel such a story in a away that someone like Ian does not care about or has to care about as the love/loyalties do not exist.

The strange thing is, I am not even a big fan of Ian. I do not dislike the guy but I do not consider him a friend or anything. But in this case, he is not making this story up. Maybe when you cry wolf, people always think that is always the case (although in many instances, it is more of that tendency to run with information that gets him and others in situations where the story is either misleading or wrong). But truth be told, there are people who have wondered about what Sean is doing and it is not just those in the media who speculate each year about what he is doing. Sean was exhausted last season. I find it remarkable how much he was able to get the team to focus through every challenge and setback, especially in the final weeks. I even wondered if he would mail it in but the sense was they felt like they could stay make a run in the playoffs if they could get in. He never stopped coaching, but after a long season there was almost a relief--not of being happy the season had ended but just that change to recharge. There is a normal course of action that occurs at the end of each season. This year, Sean diverted from the normal routine. Sean decided to go on vacation to "get away." Those things didn't necessarily raise eyebrows but just how silent he has been. And I know "silent" here feels a bit ambiguous, which is why I likened it in another thread to two years ago when no one knew what Drew would do because he just took time away to reflect. In fact, many assumed he would retire. Ultimately, he came back. It is very likely that Sean comes back. To be sure, the national media loves this story because it elicits a certain kind of attention. And some will speculate -- they will go beyond the reality is people not knowing what Sean will do -- to suggest that he wants to coach elsewhere or this or that. The broadcast interest in him is real but this is not the first year that interest has been there. He is not coaching another team this year other than the Saints. He is or was just a man tired and, really and truly, you have to think about the last three or four seasons of heartbreak and then with the craziness of this season. I wish Ian had not chosen to write about it (if only for the speculation it causes) but I can also say Sean is smart and, to some degree, doesn't mind having his name constantly swirl. There are indications that he will be back, that things should pick up with meetings and certain off-season preparations, and this will be forgotten as attention turns toward getting this team ready for next season.

 

[Loco Hornet Fan]

The point I am making is that the information, at its core, is the same. There has been complete silence coming from Payton and no one knows exactly what that means. And as I said before, it is not just the media. There are other people Sean is normally in contact with who do not know. I certainly agree that the delivery between Nick and Ian is different, thus the reference to the sensationalism on the part of the latter.

But even Nick admitted he thought about writing an article about what was going on prior to today and resisted because he understands what happens when you put pen to paper. Once you write that story, you are kind of making a statement even if you are not trying to make a statement. If I came here and said, Sean has not met with coaches as he does right after the season ends or that he has gone radio silent, it could open a can of worms. So, sometimes, you just sit and wait. Nick has restraint. Ian does and this is why I said he jumps the gun. But his reporting, at least in this specific case, is not wrong.

And I stand by my statement that Nick would say that Ian is not a bad reporter. Or rather he would defend Ian, surprising as that might sound.

I mean, Ian has “reported” this AT LEAST 4 times since 2015. At what point do we finally say casually “jumping the gun” crosses the line into bad reporting? We seriously haven’t gotten there by now?

Maybe he’s right this time, but I think he’s way past getting the benefit of the doubt.

And has Underhill actually ever defended Rapoport, or is that just speculation? I haven’t seen Underhill do that, but I could be wrong.

 

[StudioSaint]

"Jumping the gun," at least in this instance, does not mean that he does not have facts. Again, Nick has stated that he almost wrote an article about the fact that no one knows what Sean is doing. And he was not the only local reporter who debated on whether or not to address it. Heck, there was one instance in which I almost stated something similarly a week or so ago. Ian does not sit on anything because his job is to break big stories. Nick has a long-term view of things and shows more restraint as do some of the other reporters. Plus, they understand how New Orleans Saints fans will feel such a story in a away that someone like Ian does not care about or has to care about as the love/loyalties do not exist.

The strange thing is, I am not even a big fan of Ian. I do not dislike the guy but I do not consider him a friend or anything. But in this case, he is not making this story up. Maybe when you cry wolf, people always think that is always the case (although in many instances, it is more of that tendency to run with information that gets him and others in situations where the story is either misleading or wrong). But truth be told, there are people who have wondered about what Sean is doing and it is not just those in the media who speculate each year about what he is doing. Sean was exhausted last season. I find it remarkable how much he was able to get the team to focus through every challenge and setback, especially in the final weeks. I even wondered if he would mail it in but the sense was they felt like they could stay make a run in the playoffs if they could get in. He never stopped coaching, but after a long season there was almost a relief--not of being happy the season had ended but just that change to recharge. There is a normal course of action that occurs at the end of each season. This year, Sean diverted from the normal routine. Sean decided to go on vacation to "get away." Those things didn't necessarily raise eyebrows but just how silent he has been. And I know "silent" here feels a bit ambiguous, which is why I likened it in another thread to two years ago when no one knew what Drew would do because he just took time away to reflect. In fact, many assumed he would retire. Ultimately, he came back. It is very likely that Sean comes back. To be sure, the national media loves this story because it elicits a certain kind of attention. And some will speculate -- they will go beyond the reality is people not knowing what Sean will do -- to suggest that he wants to coach elsewhere or this or that. The broadcast interest in him is real but this is not the first year that interest has been there. He is not coaching another team this year other than the Saints. He is or was just a man tired and, really and truly, you have to think about the last three or four seasons of heartbreak and then with the craziness of this season. I wish Ian had not chosen to write about it (if only for the speculation it causes) but I can also say Sean is smart and, to some degree, doesn't mind having his name constantly swirl. There are indications that he will be back, that things should pick up with meetings and certain off-season preparations, and this will be forgotten as attention turns toward getting this team ready for next season.

With as much time and energy as you're putting into defending Rapoport, me thinks Rapoport has been your inside source all this time. It makes sense, since you have claimed to have information about other teams that someone inside the Saints organization wouldn't necessarily have.

Also, Ian doesn't seem as concerned about his reputation as a reporter as you seem to be.

 

[Poison]

With as much time and energy as you're putting into defending Rapoport, me thinks Rapoport has been your inside source all this time. It makes sense, since you have claimed to have information about other teams that someone inside the Saints organization wouldn't necessarily have.

Also, Ian doesn't seem as concerned about his reputation as a reporter as you seem to be.

60minutes has been on this forum for a long time and has consistently been a source of reliable information when it comes to the team. Whether in this instance you like the content of that information (I don't; I want Payton to see out his contract and hope that he ultimately will), it doesn't diminish the fact that as at today's date there are some legitimate questions being asked about his future in the league on the basis of seemingly credible information that has now been reported by several media outlets.