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6. New Orleans Saints​

Saints fans deserve better than being the least desirable spot on this list, but I'm not sure there's a case to be made otherwise given the cap situation, the roster and the lack of success here for anyone other than Sean Payton.

The Good: The Saints have dumped recent early picks into their offensive line to make up for aging and attrition and for a hot minute this year, that was a really good unit that helped the Saints leap out to a hot start under new OC Klint Kubiak. I guess there's something there at quarterback with Derek Carr and maybe Spencer Rattler, but that feels like a pretty massive reach. When healthy, Chris Olave and Rashid Shaheed give this team a pair of truly dynamic weapons. There's a couple decent defensive pieces to build around but Cameron Jordan and Tyrann Mathieu are up there in age. Speaking of, so is Alvin Kamara, although he was pretty resurgent this year when healthy, so it's a matter of what he has left in the tank.

The Bad: The Saints won enough games this year where they don't really have a great draft pick (No. 9 overall), so getting a true franchise quarterback in place is going to probably take some time or some luck. Their cap space is a disaster, because it is every year, with the Saints looking to be around $-66 million on the 2025 cap. That's probably going to take some pretty creative finagling. Time is a flat circle, I suppose. Mickey Loomis is still the GM and there haven't been any real rumblings about change on that front, but his comments in the wake of Dennis Allen being fired at least raised my eyebrows about the situation.

The Best Option(s): Aaron Glenn, (Lions DC)

Glenn was with the Saints in his final year as a player, was with the Saints as a coach, and was reportedly the runner-up to Allen when he got the nod previously. He's done an outstanding job with the Lions defense in his time with Detroit. The connections and the resume make this one make a lot of sense.

 

[SonOfNOLA]

 

[WilliamBrees]

I liked the idea of Allen taking over because I thought the stint with the Raiders was just a case of him being young and with an organization that has had a hard time finding its better days. I thought the familiarity would be a plus but that was probably more of Allen being tied to Sean that it sounded really good at the time, and I really thought he learned something by helping Payton build a winning culture in New Orleans.

Fast forward...it all melted down and now looking at your side of why you were against it because of the internal hiring but i never thought about it and all the way back to Siefert but that was about as plug and play as you could get. Those old Niner defenses alone were able to win championships for several years in a row.

Now that you point that out the failure rate is not good and probably why it doesn't happen that often. So many things go into play as being the right type of coach but if it were easy everybody would be doing it.

Your wording on paragraph 2 is confusing. What are you implying?

 

[OldTimeGamer1966]

Your wording on paragraph 2 is confusing. What are you implying?

Nothing other than internal hires have a bad average and looking at it from someone else's view I can see why he wouldn't want a internal hire with those odds. I get confused trying to put my thoughts down so sometimes I am more confusing and confused than other days. Lol

 

[HouseCall]

How much faith should the patriots have in bob kraft after hiring jerod mayo? Point is, it doesn't matter. You're going to root for the next guy and hope things work out.

I think Kraft also deserves some criticism - but Kraft also has a hell of a lot more skins on the wall than Loomis.

Sure, it doesn’t matter in the long run because we have no say in the front office decisions.

I was merely asking how much faith should we have that Loomis won’t mess this up like he has so many other recent moves?

It’s like if a contractor builds you a house and you find out later that the foundation is cracked and the pipes aren’t properly insulated and the wiring isn’t to code and the windows leak - you can ask that guy to fix all those issues that he caused - but you probably aren’t going to feel really confident about it.

 

[DSnfla]

Arguing with this poster is like talking to a brick wall, when he is proven absolutely wrong, hypocritical or the like he totally ignores it and continues to prattle on in his nonsensical, rambling fashion.....FWIW......

LOL and when you accuse me of making things up and I post a link backing up what I said you just ignore it. Pot calling the kettle black much??

I'll repost this so maybe you'll get it
The definition of treading water is:

• fail to advance or make progress.
  "men who are treading water in their careers"
  In the 5 yrs before Mahomes became the starter Reid won ONE playoff game. He had some good to great seasons but never got past the divisional round.
  The yr PM was the starter he made it to the AFCCG
  What's your definition of treading water?
  Again I think Reid is a very good HC but I stand by " Treading Water"

 

[DSnfla]

Treading water doesn't seem accurate. 5 straight winning seasons and 4 playoff appearances with Alex Smith as his quarterback before Mahomes took over.

Of course when he lands a generational quarterback he starts winning championships, but let's not act like he wasn't doing excellent work with a mid-tier quarterback prior to that.

The definition of treading water is:

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• fail to advance or make progress.
  "men who are treading water in their careers"
  In the 5 yrs before Mahomes became the starter Reid won ONE playoff game. He had some good to great seasons but never got past the divisional round.
  The yr PM was the starter he made it to the AFCCG
  What's your definition of treading water?
  Again I think Reid is a very good HC but I stand by " Treading Water"
  
  
  
  
  

 

[DSnfla]

This is a very simplistic take. And actually beyond the point that I was making. But whatever.

Can you identify any specific adaptations Payton has made to his scheme? Not saying he hasn't (he has). Just curious if you know what you're talking about.

Your point from what I got is that Payton and Gruden's system is basic compared to Reid's and the others you mentioned. I don't agree, Reid's system is not compared to Payton's. SP from the time he became HC was an innovator , subbing out whole skill player packages. SP even adapted later in his time here to more short passing game
My comment about Reid treading water was that he didn't make adjustments until Mahomes was a starter.

 

[DSnfla]

More than half the list are retread HCs that got fired multiple times. No thanks. Too bad Norv Turner isn’t available.

LOL other than Pederson and Rivera who got fired more than once?

 

[Mamba]

Your point from what I got is that Payton and Gruden's system is basic compared to Reid's and the others you mentioned. I don't agree, Reid's system is not compared to Payton's. SP from the time he became HC was an innovator , subbing out whole skill player packages. SP even adapted later in his time here to more short passing game

In those early years, Payton included some innovation, yes. Using a big WR (Colston) in the slot, switching out packages nearly every play, developing a creative array of screens. These were all staples of Payton’s offense that wreaked havoc for several seasons. But now these innovations have become commonplace.

These days the innovators are the guys I mentioned, including Reid. I can’t see how anyone can watch a Chiefs game and not plainly observe how creative the offensive design is. If you can’t watch that and agree, I’m obviously not going to convince you with a message board post.

 

[DSnfla]

I'm not saying he should be considered or interviewed - at all... But anyone think it strange that Kubiak's name hasn't even been rumored or mentioned?

Not at all, It would not surprise me if KK does not want to be a HC especially right now. But give him a healthy offense and he succeeds you'll hear it then

 

[DSnfla]

Not considering all the reports that Kubiak is a mild mannered quiet guy. And while I get that he didn't have much to work with, the play calling after he got past the scripted plays was not good.

Having SO many starters miss SO many games limits what you can do as far as adjustments go. PLUS not having an immense amount of talent even WHEN healthy is limiting
Give KK and our offensive staff the Lions or even the Eagles offensive players and KK would be the hot HC candidate name

 

[DSnfla]

Come on Widge... You aren't new here. You know why. The only thing ML seems to like more than drafting fat guys on potential... Is continuity... If they make the AAron Glenn hire... I'd bet my lefty Kubiak is retained... Maybe even if Vrabel is hired... and possibly others. For the sake of "offensive continuity"

1st you are under the wrong impression that ML is running roughshod over the draft process. He's not saying I'm drafting this fat guy because his 3 cone time is better than a WRs 40. It's a consensus between the scouting dept and the HC. If there is a disagreement then he has final say and you can bet you savings that he sides mostly with the HC. So to blame ML for Davenport, or Payton Turner is just incorrect he just let the HC and the scouting dept pretty much run the show.

Please show me where ML is this slave to continuity.Other than the DA hire that's IT. It was DA that retained most of the staff in the 1st yr. Then it was DA that reworked the D staff in the 2nd yr and again it was DA that hired KK and KK hired the offensive staff.

 

[DSnfla]

Agreed, there's no way all that effort ML put out finding an OC goes to waste.

My goodness , it was DA that did most of the OC interviews

 

[BreesusSaves]

He's done an outstanding job with the Lions defense in his time with Detroit.

Looks at Lion's defense with Glenn as DC