UnitedHealth CEO shot (3 Viewers)

[CapitalCitySaint]

To me, the answer to that question is both.

I am deeply disturbed when the overwhelming reaction to a man being shot down in cold blood in broad daylight is "he deserved it." To be up front, I am against the death penalty in all cases. I certainly believe the man and his company are unethical in their practices and guilty of negligence in the death of many, many patients, but I'm not going to go on a political rant about about the mess that is the health care system.

I'm just going to say taking a life only escalates the violence. I don't think this action will fix anything, and it certainly won't bring back anyone who died as the result of unethical choices by a medical insurance company. The loss of any life that could be saved is horrible.

It’s less “he deserved it” and more “this was a likely outcome”

 

[CapitalCitySaint]

Maybe one day it will get through to the US population as a whole that we are all a diagnosis away from financial ruin. The answer is to remove the current for-profit-only system and replace it with a system that actually serves its customers and not corporations.

It’s amazing to me that Congress prohibited physician owned hospitals & any expansion of existing physician owned hospitals but somehow the monopoly that UHC & CVS currently have has been allowed to continue operating in such an unethical fashion.

 

[saintmdterps]

It’s amazing to me that Congress prohibited physician owned hospitals & any expansion of existing physician owned hospitals but somehow the monopoly that UHC & CVS currently have has been allowed to continue operating in such an unethical fashion.

Follow the money, and we see where the priorities are.

 

[DavidM]

It’s less “he deserved it” and more “this was a likely outcome”

A broken healthcare system. Enormous wealth disparity. A lot of people struggling and desperate. Easy access to guns.

We got here because of policies. Agree, disagree, it doesn't matter. This is where we are in America.

 

[CapitalCitySaint]

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

A broken healthcare system. Enormous wealth disparity. A lot of people struggling and desperate. Easy access to guns.

We got here because of policies. Agree, disagree, it doesn't matter. This is where we are in America.

I don't necessarily disagree with your description of things, but it's interesting to me that, before he was apprehended, if you showed most people the bios of the CEO and the shooter and asked them who was who, they'd probably guess the CEO was the valedictorian of the expensive prep school with 2 degrees from Penn and the shooter was the guy from a tiny town in the Midwest who went to Iowa.

This was one rich guy shooting another.

 

[CapitalCitySaint]

I don't necessarily disagree with your description of things, but it's interesting to me that, before he was apprehended, if you showed most people the bios of the CEO and the shooter and asked them who was who, they'd probably guess the CEO was the valedictorian of the expensive prep school with 2 degrees from Penn and the shooter was the guy from a tiny town in the Midwest who went to Iowa.

This was one rich guy shooting another.

Was Luigi rich though? He comes from a wealthy family but that does not necessarily mean that he himself was wealthy. He came from privilege, no doubt. Some parents cut their kids off after they graduate college and start building their own career. We don’t know what his situation was.

 

[Dago]

Totally off topic, but Kaczynski has always fascinated me. He is arguably one of the most intelligent Human
beings who ever existed. When he was a freshman in college his professors would seek him out to solve
complex math problems. He just took the wrong path in life. No, I do not condone what he did.

For the purposes of this thread, the correct word is Exalt

 

[superchuck500]

 

[Dago]

I completely understand the sentiment.

Most in here know I have had multiple severe wrecks (none my fault) including a hit and run from an 18 wheeler cab. I've had multiple spine surgeries and need one more. The last one is supposed to be a lumbar ALIF with marrow aspiration. Blue Cross denied it because they claimed it was experimental and using stem cells despite approving the same procedure for his other patients that needed it. We appealed and there was a peer review done and the physician that told my doctor that he was wrong (despite being an internationally known neurosurgeon who was a part of pioneering artificial spine discs) was a pediatrician

 

[DavidM]

I don't necessarily disagree with your description of things, but it's interesting to me that, before he was apprehended, if you showed most people the bios of the CEO and the shooter and asked them who was who, they'd probably guess the CEO was the valedictorian of the expensive prep school with 2 degrees from Penn and the shooter was the guy from a tiny town in the Midwest who went to Iowa.

This was one rich guy shooting another.

We’ll get a clearer idea of what influenced and motivated Mangione eventually, but all of my comments are centered, as much, on reactions to the shooting, and factors that set the conditions for violence (and the anticipation of violence).

 

[Madmarsha]

Was Luigi rich though? He comes from a wealthy family but that does not necessarily mean that he himself was wealthy. He came from privilege, no doubt. Some parents cut their kids off after they graduate college and start building their own career. We don’t know what his situation was.

No, we don't. And whether or not that perception occurred to Super Luigi, that's what's out there. His prep school education alone was upwards of $200 K; but Baltimore County is overrun with prep school boys so he may think he's just "average". And, well, there he kinda is.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

This was one rich guy shooting another.

New Netflix series?

 

[bigdaddysaints]

I don't necessarily disagree with your description of things, but it's interesting to me that, before he was apprehended, if you showed most people the bios of the CEO and the shooter and asked them who was who, they'd probably guess the CEO was the valedictorian of the expensive prep school with 2 degrees from Penn and the shooter was the guy from a tiny town in the Midwest who went to Iowa.

This was one rich guy shooting another.

what if you mentioned this, does it muddy the water on this thought?

he was valedictorian and homecoming king. graduate from the University of Iowa with a bachelor's degree in business administration with a major in accounting. He was a Collegiate Scholar, Carver Scholar, State of Iowa Scholar and Faculty Scholar.

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

Was Luigi rich though? He comes from a wealthy family but that does not necessarily mean that he himself was wealthy. He came from privilege, no doubt. Some parents cut their kids off after they graduate college and start building their own career. We don’t know what his situation was.

Putting aside his very expensive education and family wealth he had a six figure software job at age 25. I'm pretty comfortable calling him rich relative to the average joe.