USA Today Ranks Dennis Allen Worst Head Coach in the League (2 Viewers)

[Elvis]

And had he lost the game?
Still on him?

Of course. Payton was the head coach. He tested positive for covid, but he was still running the entire operation during the week.

 

[RaginCajun83]

I really don’t want the Saints to go 7-10 but if it gets DA fired than so be it

 

[lilvipa221]

The problem is the non-fact of “easiest schedule of all time” that keeps being bleated here. Anyone who clicks the 2015 strength of schedule link will see multiple teams played an even easier one than the .427 SOS the 2023 Saints played, but Dennis Detractors Detest Details Dat Don’t ‘Demnify Da Dude, so here we are. A common superlative talking point is blown to bits, and the response is “b-b-b-b-but muh histrie!” I correctly identified that the best coach this team has ever had was also capable of underperforming against a weak schedule. All the Sean Payton trading card blurb facts in the universe won’t change that one. He had two fewer wins than the coach y’all froth about against a similar strength of schedule, and it remains the truth when you factor out the game Drew sat (7-8). And it remains true if you take out the 17th game under the new scheduling format (34-0 win vs NE; 8-8). It’s also true that the 2023 Saints had a better home record (5-3) than the 2015 Saints (4-4) even though the entire fanbase allegedly hates this coach and refused to cheer for him during pregame announcements. Want some more painful truth? The 2023 hate-the-coach Saints lost one game out of eight by double digits. The 2015 Saints, playing a .003 harder SOS, lost four games out of nine by double digits. Hall-of-Fame head coach lost games against: rookie Jameis Winston, rookie Marcus Mariota, missed the entire previous season Sam Bradford, and Brian Hoyer. The latter two were by three scores.

The flaw in your argument is that neither aspect of the 2023 Saints team was anywhere near as bad as the 2015 Saints defense...........not even close to comparable. People love Carr, the defense and Dennis Allen. Cant love all of those AND love the results of last year.

Everyone knew the 2015 Saints defense was one of the worst ever.

 

[Saint KayBee]

This is about the shallowest, stat seeking bs Ive ever seen. The lengths some of you will go to defend a well proven loser is bordering on astonishing. Youre going to cherry pick some data from a coach with a SB ring, 2 NFCCGs and a .620 career win %, that has 9 10+ win seasons and has never lost 10 in a season in an attempt to justify lowering yourself to defending a guy who has 1 NON 10 LOSS season in his 5 years as a head coach, (outside of the 1 he was fired at 0-4) with 0 playoff appearances and a general aloofness on the sideline that caused him to tell a qb who threw 2 pick sixes in 1 half to keep doing what he is doing.

You can believe in him. But he is what he is. No matter how much of a yes man or woman you are. Toe the party line all you want. He is a bottom 5 head coach in todays NFL. He is a bottom 10 coach all time by win %.

The Saints could fire Dennis Allen today at 3pm and I’d go “weird time in the offseason to do this but okay, let’s see what the next coach can do” and go on about my day

Again, just click the 2015 SOS link. Multiple teams played an easier schedule than the 2023 Saints did. A team can have a weak schedule and still miss the playoffs. That was my entire point! Those of you who act like it’s unique to DA are the problem, not me retelling a series of uncomfortable truths

 

[Saint KayBee]

This is total nonsensical dribble…..no one claims that CSP was perfect, he had plenty of faults, all coaches do, he also had unprecedented success as a Saints coach…..DA has had zero success so far, as Saints fans we certainly all hopes that changes this year but all the comparisons in the world doesn’t change that all encompassing reality….

I understand wanting DA to be that guy, but these “points” you are trying to make are just….silly…..Painful truth? that is hilarious….

It’s painful for all of us as fans of this team. I’m not gloating about it. That was a misery-inducing season. The point you’re continuing to miss (evade?) is that even very good coaches perform below expectations, and now suddenly everybody understands the importance of complementary football (while granting DA zero passage for it).

 

[44slayer]

It’s painful for all of us as fans of this team. I’m not gloating about it. That was a misery-inducing season. The point you’re continuing to miss (evade?) is that even very good coaches perform below expectations, and now suddenly everybody understands the importance of complementary football (while granting DA zero passage for it).

Passage for what? What has he done to earn "passage"? The fact that he is still employed as the leader of a franchise is more passage than he deserves at this point as a NFL head coach.

He needs to earn his passage at this point. He has no capital. No one should be defending him or cutting him any slack. Its sink or swim time for him. He failed in 1 job, and you can gloat all you want about him "improving" to 2 games under .500 here, but circumstantially in this division playing mostly bottom of the vat and backup to the bottom of the vat quarterbacks - that 2 games under .500 is a bit of smoke and mirrors.

 

[woohoosaint]

I’m sure the board will handle this ranking with grace and equanimity

We just signed him this past offseason...

 

[Saint KayBee]

Passage for what? What has he done to earn "passage"? The fact that he is still employed as the leader of a franchise is more passage than he deserves at this point as a NFL head coach.

He needs to earn his passage at this point. He has no capital. No one should be defending him or cutting him any slack. Its sink or swim time for him. He failed in 1 job, and you can gloat all you want about him "improving" to 2 games under .500 here, but circumstantially in this division playing mostly bottom of the vat and backup to the bottom of the vat quarterbacks - that 2 games under .500 is a bit of smoke and mirrors.

Sean Payton goes 7-9: “well the defense was bad!”

Dennis Allen goes 9-8: “worst coach in history can’t hack it!”

Acknowledging Payton’s lack of complementary football while ignoring Allen not having it (or worse, saying he doesn’t deserve to have it) is hypocritical. That’s going to remain true regardless of the number of increasingly incendiary posts you sling at me, accusing me of being DA’s relative, lover, and/or biggest fan. I’m a Saints fan, I take the good with the bad, if the Saints made your dream come true I’d be right and ready to pull for the next coach, whereas I could see a 1-2 start by Next Head Coach turning you right back into this version of you.

 

[sfidc3]

Sean Payton goes 7-9: “well the defense was bad!”

Dennis Allen goes 9-8: “worst coach in history can’t hack it!”

Acknowledging Payton’s lack of complementary football while ignoring Allen not having it (or worse, saying he doesn’t deserve to have it) is hypocritical. That’s going to remain true regardless of the number of increasingly incendiary posts you sling at me, accusing me of being DA’s relative, lover, and/or biggest fan. I’m a Saints fan, I take the good with the bad, if the Saints made your dream come true I’d be right and ready to pull for the next coach, whereas I could see a 1-2 start by Next Head Coach turning you right back into this version of you.

I’m sorry above is total nonsense….the only thing worth acknowledging is that there is zero comparison between CSP and DA, the rest is total BS…..

We are all Saints fans and we all want to see the team succeed no matter who the HC is….at the same time I’ve seen this team hold onto coaches when it was pretty obvious to most that they weren’t worth holding onto….I would hate, as a Saints fan, to see that happen yet again…..

 

[BoxerJoe]

Of course. Payton was the head coach. He tested positive for covid, but he was still running the entire operation during the week.

The offensive line was a MASH unit (no Armstead, Ramczyk, & Peat), the starting WRs & TE were Marquez Callaway, TreQuan Smith, & Adam Trautman, and the QB had an injured throwing hand...while being on the road against a top 3 run defense and against a team that was 6-0 at home at the time. The operation was to not try to do too much offensively while relying on the strength of Dennis Allen's defense to carry the day, which it did as the Saints shut out Brady and the Bucs 9-0. Payton wasn't there to give the locker room pre-game speech, or halftime speech, or make halftime adjustments or anything like that. Dennis Allen's serving as head coach that week was brought back up in defense of the Saints' hiring him for that position two years ago. I am not commenting on how that has worked out, but the view on that week was certainly that Dennis Allen assumed head coaching duties.

 

[Saint KayBee]

We are all Saints fans and we all want to see the team succeed no matter who the HC is….

No y’all do not. End of discussion.

 

[tak]

USA Today lies about a lot of things. Football is the least of them.

 

[Saint KayBee]

The flaw in your argument is that neither aspect of the 2023 Saints team was anywhere near as bad as the 2015 Saints defense...........not even close to comparable. People love Carr, the defense and Dennis Allen. Cant love all of those AND love the results of last year.

Everyone knew the 2015 Saints defense was one of the worst ever.

I thought *everything* was the head coach’s responsibility on here? All season long people have insisted that Dennis Allen is singularly at fault for the 2022-23 offenses being bad, even though he’s coached defense for dang near three decades? But Payton gets a “we all know the defense was bad” trap door to slide out of and … that’s that? Responsibility vanishes into thin air? It’s comical the way y’all set up these talking points just to directly contradict them some posts later.

 

[Elvis]

I thought *everything* was the head coach’s responsibility on here? All season long people have insisted that Dennis Allen is singularly at fault for the 2022-23 offenses being bad, even though he’s coached defense for dang near three decades? But Payton gets a “we all know the defense was bad” trap door to slide out of and … that’s that? Responsibility vanishes into thin air? It’s comical the way y’all set up these talking points just to directly contradict them some posts later.

You're being silly. Nobody is saying Payton was perfect and there were many seasons where people were calling for his head. Payton has his flaws too. He was excessively loyal to bad coaches and even certain players and the team suffered at different points because of that at times. That was his fault. But he was also a great leader of men, master motivator and game planner. Better DCs could benefit from him being such a good offensive coach and I think DA being a great DC did benefit from that. Even with all of his flaws, he managed to accumulate 10 winning seasons and 9 playoff births in his time here.

There is much evidence that DA can coach a defense. He's very good at that. That said, who is DA leading and motivating? Which OC has he benefited by being a good defensive coach? Is there any evidence that he has ever made a team better as a head coach. I'm not saying he is for sure never going to do any of those things as a head coach, but I haven't seen it yet.

 

[Saint KayBee]

You're being silly. Nobody is saying Payton was perfect and there were many seasons where people were calling for his head. Payton has his flaws too. He was excessively loyal to bad coaches and even certain players and the team suffered at different points because of that at times. That was his fault. But he was also a great leader of men, master motivator and game planner. Better DCs could benefit from him being such a good offensive coach and I think DA being a great DC did benefit from that. Even with all of his flaws, he managed to accumulate 10 winning seasons and 9 playoff births in his time here.

There is much evidence that DA can coach a defense. He's very good at that. That said, who is DA leading and motivating? Which OC has he benefited by being a good defensive coach? Is there any evidence that he has ever made a team better as a head coach. I'm not saying he is for sure never going to do any of those things as a head coach, but I haven't seen it yet.

First it was me recalling things that actually happened to the team as “silly”

Now I’m recalling words posters have actually written to me and that’s “silly” too

Between me and the last four people who have responded to me in this thread (all men, as best as I can tell), I’m the one poster with a consistently positive outlook on/hope for this team we all cheer for, and y’all are up my tush because I’m not doom and glooming about Dennis Allen like y’all are? And they say women are the emotional ones! Sorry for hoping my favorite football team wins a lot in the future, but I don’t love misery’s company. I’m never going to be like y’all.

[edit] to the clown reactor on this post, I’m going to briefly separate from the football of it all to say I hope you find true happiness somewhere in this giant world.