Walterfootball 2011 3round Mock Draft (4 Viewers)

[thefifthwall]

Payton & Loomis always do the most unexpected.

That's why I'm keeping my eye on wideouts & running backs for next year's draft

 

[srenner]

3 defensive tackles on the roster and a bottom feeding run defense......im pretty sure we have a bigger need than DE and OLB

I 100% disagree. We need DE's in a big way to get a good pass rush on. Ayodele has turned out to be pretty good and Hargrove is a nice fill in as well. Big Sed is a beast, but unless we think we can land another beast DT, I'd say go for the DE's and OLB's who can help get pressure on the QB.

Wouldn't be shocked to see a WR drafted either.

 

[CantonLegend]

I 100% disagree. We need DE's in a big way to get a good pass rush on. Ayodele has turned out to be pretty good and Hargrove is a nice fill in as well. Big Sed is a beast, but unless we think we can land another beast DT, I'd say go for the DE's and OLB's who can help get pressure on the QB.

Wouldn't be shocked to see a WR drafted either.

an interesting stat in favor of assisting the run defense first is that we are 7th in the league in rush attempts against us

but we are 28th in the league in pass attempts against us

something to keep an eye on throughout the season

teams are moving the ball more easily and more consistantly against us via the run

 

[JackDiesel]

an interesting stat in favor of assisting the run defense first is that we are 7th in the league in rush attempts against us

but we are 28th in the league in pass attempts against us

something to keep an eye on throughout the season

teams are moving the ball more easily and more constantly against us via the run

Aren't you helping the run defense by drafting a DE? After all a lot of the big runs against our defense come when our DE's fail to contain the cutback lanes or our OLB's aren't quick enough to get to the edge. A DE will improve our run defense a whole lot more than a DT can at this point.

We'd be a whole lot better off by signing a Barry Cofield type DT in FA and drafting a DE. We have a serious age issue at DE, Smith will be 30, Brown will be 32, and Wilkerson will be 30. Considering that's one of the most important positions if not the most important position in a 4-3 defense that's not a good problem to have. We need youth in a bad way.

 

[donato]

Wouldn't be shocked to see a WR drafted either.

How do you figure that?

 

[CantonLegend]

Aren't you helping the run defense by drafting a DE? After all a lot of the big runs against our defense come when our DE's fail to contain the cutback lanes or our OLB's aren't quick enough to get to the edge. A DE will improve our run defense a whole lot more than a DT can at this point.

We'd be a whole lot better off by signing a Barry Cofield type DT in FA and drafting a DE. We have a serious age issue at DE, Smith will be 30, Brown will be 32, and Wilkerson will be 30. Considering that's one of the most important positions if not the most important position in a 4-3 defense that's not a good problem to have. We need youth in a bad way.

you are right to a point. DEs do help the run but only if they are a run stopping DE like charles grant or will smith etc. guys like julius peppers or shawn merriman that are considered elite DEs are usually pass rushers only

yes we need DEs, but we only have 3 DTs on the roster. 2 of them are actually DTs and the others are DT/DE hybrids

and stoppin the run starts in the middle of the line. yes it helps to have DEs that can contain, but thats more scheme than personel. a solid DT that holds the middle of the line forces runs to the outside where teams become one dimensional. if you know a guy cant run up the middle its a lot easier to stop an offense

 

[NOFALCONS10]

I 100% disagree. We need DE's in a big way to get a good pass rush on. Ayodele has turned out to be pretty good and Hargrove is a nice fill in as well. Big Sed is a beast, but unless we think we can land another beast DT, I'd say go for the DE's and OLB's who can help get pressure on the QB.

Wouldn't be shocked to see a WR drafted either.

Michael Floyd, ryan broyles, leonard hankerson, and jerrell jernigan wouldn't be bad picks at all at wr.

 

[JackDiesel]

you are right to a point. DEs do help the run but only if they are a run stopping DE like charles grant or will smith etc. guys like julius peppers or shawn merriman that are considered elite DEs are usually pass rushers only

yes we need DEs, but we only have 3 DTs on the roster. 2 of them are actually DTs and the others are DT/DE hybrids

and stoppin the run starts in the middle of the line. yes it helps to have DEs that can contain, but thats more scheme than personel. a solid DT that holds the middle of the line forces runs to the outside where teams become one dimensional. if you know a guy cant run up the middle its a lot easier to stop an offense

And the thing about DE's is they'll also take time to develop except for a few that get it right away. Just look at Brandon Graham, he just lost his starting job. Most defensive line prospects take a couple years to develop, they have to get used to the bigger, more physical lineman in the NFL. I just really want to add some youth at DE.

BPA at DE/DT/OLB for the first couple rounds and I'm happy. If there's a better prospect at DT over DE then you gotta go with him, and vice versa if there's a better prospect at DE. If a Ingram or Ryan Williams fell to us in round 1 I'd be ok with them also. Another RB to keep an eye on is Mikel Leshoure from Illinois, he's the most likely to be there.

I'm just hoping we can add Barry Cofield and Derrick Johnson/Thomas Howard in FA. Fill our needs with mid-tier FA's which would free us up in the draft.

 

[NOFALCONS10]

Aren't you helping the run defense by drafting a DE? After all a lot of the big runs against our defense come when our DE's fail to contain the cutback lanes or our OLB's aren't quick enough to get to the edge. A DE will improve our run defense a whole lot more than a DT can at this point.

We'd be a whole lot better off by signing a Barry Cofield type DT in FA and drafting a DE. We have a serious age issue at DE, Smith will be 30, Brown will be 32, and Wilkerson will be 30. Considering that's one of the most important positions if not the most important position in a 4-3 defense that's not a good problem to have. We need youth in a bad way.

I can definitely see us making a move for cofield rather than gambling on a rookie NT next year.


as for DE, don't be suprised if we make a play on vernon gholston when he gets released.

gholston would come dirt cheap having played his entire career out of position in a 3-4 scheme.

i also have my sights on sam Acho of Texas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfKcMbuFycs





if marvin austin were to fall to round 2-3 because of character issues i would support taking a gamble on that guy. he just reminds me so much of darnell dockett. he can even drop smoothly into zone coverage at times and has the size at 310 that i would look for as a backup 3 tech. he really is a top 15 talent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTEfRNfqaF8

 

[NOFALCONS10]

One NT that i've wanted to keep an eye on is Jerrell powe of Ole miss.

he'll get a stiff test against alabama's rushing attact tomorrow night.

 

[Cougar 1]

an interesting stat in favor of assisting the run defense first is that we are 7th in the league in rush attempts against us

but we are 28th in the league in pass attempts against us

something to keep an eye on throughout the season

teams are moving the ball more easily and more consistantly against us via the run

With the O not getting out to big leads and the D not getting TOs, scores are staying closer, so teams are able to commit to running the ball more. But I dunno about easily. Except for the one long TD run by Williams in the Lina game, I think we've done a good job against the run the last 2 games.

Until we start making the big plays, teams will continue to commit to the run. Keep an eye on what happens when we get our mojo back!

 

[JackDiesel]

I can definitely see us making a move for cofield rather than gambling on a rookie NT next year.

After drafting Al Woods over Cam Thomas I don't really trust our FO decision making when it comes to DTs. It seemed like they liked the smaller 3-tech/5-tech DT's in the draft, I wonder if we will go that road again. We could still sign Cofield and then draft another DT.

as for DE, don't be suprised if we make a play on vernon gholston when he gets released.

gholston would come dirt cheap having played his entire career out of position in a 3-4 scheme.

If Gholston is brought back to the 4-3 scheme he'd go back to beast mode. His game in college was always strength, the bull rush, he puts up some great combine numbers and then Mangenius decides he can play OLB in the 3-4. He just isn't built for the 3-4 and anyone who knows football can tell that. He has more talent than anyone we could draft in 2nd round, probably first. I'll be on his bandwagon once he gets released.

i also have my sights on sam Acho of Texas

Haven't watched him play this year, I'll have to before the season is over. I watched Ryan Kerrigan against Notre Dame and he totally beasted it up. Unfortunately I think he is getting over hyped and will go earlier than he should, maybe his stock will cool down as the season goes on.

if marvin austin were to fall to round 2-3 because of character issues i would support taking a gamble on that guy. he just reminds me so much of darnell dockett. he can even drop smoothly into zone coverage at times and has the size at 310 that i would look for as a backup 3 tech. he really is a top 15 talent.

I know he's a top 15 talent but this FO will never draft that guy. His off field problems are the least of his concern, on the field the guy hardly ever tries and his work ethic is almost non-existent. We've never even shown the slightest interest in players like him before and I doubt we will with him. Even in the 3rd round we'd just be wasting our pick on him.

 

[JackDiesel]

One NT that i've wanted to keep an eye on is Jerrell powe of Ole miss.

he'll get a stiff test against alabama's rushing attact tomorrow night.

He's pretty much the only NT to keep an eye on. There are a couple other guys but they are more mid-round prospects.

 

[CantonLegend]

i know you guys arent into OSU boys but their defense is one of the best in the country and guys like tyler moeller and cameron heyword seem to fit our scheme

cameron heyward is a defensive end and the leader of that defense

tyler moeller plays a type of troy polamalu role where he switches between safety and linebacker. hes real fast but he has a history of serious injuries that could drop him on draft day

running back i could see us looking hard at a guy like noel devine

 

[NOFALCONS10]

After drafting Al Woods over Cam Thomas I don't really trust our FO decision making when it comes to DTs. It seemed like they liked the smaller 3-tech/5-tech DT's in the draft, I wonder if we will go that road again. We could still sign Cofield and then draft another DT.

if that's the case then stephen paea could be the jared odrick-type consideration of 2011 along with drake nevis and jurell casey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=771jbJvhdG8

If Gholston is brought back to the 4-3 scheme he'd go back to beast mode. His game in college was always strength, the bull rush, he puts up some great combine numbers and then Mangenius decides he can play OLB in the 3-4. He just isn't built for the 3-4 and anyone who knows football can tell that. He has more talent than anyone we could draft in 2nd round, probably first. I'll be on his bandwagon once he gets released.

funny thing is that im pretty sure we would've wanted him this year but his 3 mil a year cap number was likely too high. it will be lower when he's no longer with the jets.

Haven't watched him play this year, I'll have to before the season is over. I watched Ryan Kerrigan against Notre Dame and he totally beasted it up. Unfortunately I think he is getting over hyped and will go earlier than he should, maybe his stock will cool down as the season goes on.

isn't kerrigan the kid from purdue? i read somewhere that he's more of a try hard guy rather than a raw skills guy. im hoping that we can add someone with both an edge rush and a bull rush.

I know he's a top 15 talent but this FO will never draft that guy. His off field problems are the least of his concern, on the field the guy hardly ever tries and his work ethic is almost non-existent. We've never even shown the slightest interest in players like him before and I doubt we will with him. Even in the 3rd round we'd just be wasting our
pick on him.

don't really understand why you would be so sour on austin even in the third round.

he's had four sacks in 2 of the last 3 years and i understand that he's had issues academically and has even gotten kicked off of his team but i don't see how either of those things makes him any worse than anthony hargrove, junior galette, or carlos dunlap.

it's seems like you really, really, hate this guy. i admitt i haven't followed everything that's gone on between austin and UNC but judging from your distaste of austin i get the feeling that there's more than just the academic issues to be concerned with.