Was Jesus a socialist? (1 Viewer)

[Geldo]

anyone who quotes Bill Shankley gets rep from me --- you'll never walk alone andre my friend!

 

[The Unrest Cure]

anyone who quotes Bill Shankley gets rep from me --- you'll never walk alone andre my friend!

I'm more of a "Blue Moon" kinda guy. But still I give Shankly his props.

 

[aksarben saint]

representative democracies are a type of republic. The united states government can accurately be referred to as a constitutional republic or a representative/electoral democracy. but i have no interest in engaging in semantical debates which ignore the actual point behind the statement.

the word democracy is derived from the greek word dēmokratía which literally means "will of the people". because we are a democracy, federal aid for the poor can be seen as collective fulfillment of our duties as individuals.

But you called it a Democracy.



Oh, nevermind, don't let facts get in the way!

 

[dapperdan]

I never understood how a lot of conservatives are very religious but despise socialism so much, when Jesus himself preached socialist ideals. Just to be clear this is not intended to offend anyone and I apologize if it comes off that way.

It's funny that you should mention this, because I've thought about this exact question for much of my adulthood. To me, Jesus did preach a form of socialism, although in a most basic, generalized concept. Although I believe it was more a preaching against what was the current form of government and corruption, rather than an outright embrace of socialism. Imo, it was an embrace of socialism by default.

The honest truth is, this very question has caused me to question whether Jesus was, actually, the Son of God. Because to me, the Son of God should have had better insight into the world of economics.

Jesus displayed little more than a rebellion of the existing system of greed and corruption, rather than a more profound understanding of economics to espouse a new system of economics, something that I would expect from the Son of God. I'm a bit nervous writing these words. I've got to walk home tonight and I may get hit by a car. Hopefully God will understand the questions I have of Jesus.

I always wanted to meet Jesus, but, of course, I've never wanted to die in the process. Maybe there is some sort of compromise God and I could make, lol.

 

[kcirdor]

is it draft time yet?

 

[The Unrest Cure]

Dapperdan's view is rather interesting: Jesus' lack of insight/effort into changing the political (and thus economic) landscape of God's creation was a primary reason for the Jewish people in that historical time rejecting Him. They wanted a political king, not a king from heaven.

It is far too easy to forget Jesus' role as saviour of our souls, and wish for Him to have been the saviour of our current condition. The trap there is realizing that salvation isn't about what WE want ... it is about submitting to God's authority.

 

[mister pc]

But you called it a Democracy.



Oh, nevermind, don't let facts get in the way!

dont let your failure to understand facts get in the way.

http://www.williampmeyers.org/republic.html
America: Republic or Democracy?

Democracy means rule of the people. The two most common forms of democracy are direct democracy and representative democracy. In direct democracy everyone takes part in making a decision, as in a town meeting or a referendum. The specific rules may vary: perhaps everyone must agree, perhaps there must be consensus, perhaps a mere majority is required to make a decision. The other, better known form of democracy is a representative democracy. People elect representative to make decisions or laws. Again, specifics vary greatly.

And, surprise, a representative democracy is a kind of republic. What distinguishes a republic is that it has an elected government. Representative democracies are, therefor, a kind of republic.......

At the national level the major steps toward democracy can be marked by amendments to the U.S. Constitution. The Bill of Rights guaranteed limits to the power of the federal government. The Thirteenth Amendment abolished slavery. The Fourteenth Amendment effectively extended the vote to all adult male citizens, including ex-slaves, by penalizing states that did not allow for universal male suffrage. The Fifteenth Amendment explicitly gave the right to vote to former slaves. After the Supreme Court ruled that the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments did not extend suffrage to women, a vigorous campaign for the vote was launched by women, who received the vote through the Nineteenth Amendment in 1920.

But the main Amendment that tipped the scales from the national government of the United States being a mere republic to being a true representative democracy was the often-overlooked Seventeenth Amendment, which took effect in 1913. Since 1913 the U.S. Senate has been elected directly by the voters, rather than being appointed by the state legislatures. That makes the national government democratic in form, as well as being a republic.


http://www.williampmeyers.org/republic.html

you're quite insistent about debating semantics rather than discussing ideas. persistence is only an admirable trait when its in pursuit of a worthy goal.

 

[AppleSaint]

I never understood how a lot of conservatives are very religious but despise socialism so much, when Jesus himself preached socialist ideals. Just to be clear this is not intended to offend anyone and I apologize if it comes off that way.

It is because Conservatives don't look at what they do as socialist. It is just them being good Christians. Yet when their political party is not in party and OTHER people are doing similar activities, they try and turn it around to make the other party look as ridiculous as possible....thus the word "Socialist" or "Socialism" being thrown around every few minutes by Conservatives because they have nothing of actual substance to say.

I swear 99% of those who throw around the word Socialist don't even understand what the hell it means....they run to Google and see a few lines and think they understand the entire concept.

 

[SBin2008]

Lucifer is a communist.

 

[Jeff Miller]

I never understood how a lot of conservatives are very religious but despise socialism so much, when Jesus himself preached socialist ideals. Just to be clear this is not intended to offend anyone and I apologize if it comes off that way.

From what i understand from several history channel specials dealing with Jesus the man, its more then likely that Jesus was heavily influenced by Budism.

 

[GhostFace]

Jesus was a Christian

 

[Jeff Miller]

Jesus was a Christian

Thats interesting since "christianity" didn't exist untill after his death.

IMO, the man named Jesus was Jew who accepted the principles of Budism and made his own message out of the two.

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

The honest truth is, this very question has caused me to question whether Jesus was, actually, the Son of God. Because to me, the Son of God should have had better insight into the world of economics.

wow

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

From what i understand from several history channel specials dealing with Jesus the man, its more then likely that Jesus was heavily influenced by Budism.

Thats interesting since "christianity" didn't exist untill after his death.

IMO, the man named Jesus was Jew who accepted the principles of Budism and made his own message out of the two.

how could someone find these two posts unhelpful to the discussion that we are having?


is it sacriligious for someone to bring a different point of view to your beliefs??


just curious.

 

[GhostFace]

how could someone find these two posts unhelpful to the discussion that we are having?


is it sacriligious for someone to bring a different point of view to your beliefs??


just curious.

Dude, he offended someone in the thread about shampoo(or was it the one about soap?) and they have decided to seek vengeance. Is this your first day?