We Aren't Blowing It Up, So What Now? (3 Viewers)

[Saint Greg]

You forgot Foskey

Easy to do. Add a 2nd round bust to the list

 

[BBarnes]

I’m not an eloquent speaker or writer - I know what I want to say, but have difficulty expressing it.
Anyway, the ideal situation would be for the Saints to do well over these next 10 games and still revamp the coaching staff in the offseason. I don’t know everything that makes a great head coach or a not-so-great one; I don’t believe in “rah-rah” speeches and such; however, I do think that some coaches should stick with what they’ve proven to be good at. There’s nothing wrong with everyone accepting Coach Allen as a D Coordinator and not a head coach - if that what he wants to do.

I think you can do it all is what I’m saying. You can pull together and try to salvage this season with the understanding that a new head coach and staff would be more beneficial for the organization going into the 2025 season.

Said it perfectly to me. I think it's well-thought-out and dead-on accurate.

I do not think our GM will be smart enough to do this, but it's the perfect plan. Show the new incoming head coach that there is enough here to win now, while also realizing that our current head coach is not the one that can lead the ship.

 

[BBarnes]

This was the 24th ranked rushing defense in yards in 2022.
It was the 22nd ranked rushing defense in yards in 2023.
It is currently the 29th ranked rushing defense in yards for 2024.

At some point it appears to be a feature not a bug.

In other words, DA cannot do his job (the true DC) and be the head coach. Seems like most knew this, but Loomis did not. It's past time that this organization hit the reset on the coaching staff.

 

[Rexman100]

I’m not an eloquent speaker or writer - I know what I want to say, but have difficulty expressing it.
Anyway, the ideal situation would be for the Saints to do well over these next 10 games and still revamp the coaching staff in the offseason. I don’t know everything that makes a great head coach or a not-so-great one; I don’t believe in “rah-rah” speeches and such; however, I do think that some coaches should stick with what they’ve proven to be good at. There’s nothing wrong with everyone accepting Coach Allen as a D Coordinator and not a head coach - if that what he wants to do.

I think you can do it all is what I’m saying. You can pull together and try to salvage this season with the understanding that a new head coach and staff would be more beneficial for the organization going into the 2025 season.

yea thats what they are doing, they'll try and get incrementally better and continue to live in the moment. They continue to show that they are not a team philosophy-wise that lives for 2 years from now. We are also a team that switched to a completely different offesive scheme that requires multiple years to build. It would be like acquiring Lamr Jackson and having to completely rebuilt the presonelle. In the KK system we already had a group of personelle that translated to the new system. Carr did extensive offseason training. And Fuaga, Penning, Mccoy, Taysom, AK, Foster were natural fits. They were so ntural that we were actually great for two games. Becasue we are just one year into this totally differnt system we didnt have ANY backups at any position that could allow the team to not miss a beat. We are a house of cards. (to be fair all teams are houses of cards when they lose 8 of 11 starters on O) So they should get a pass for the injuries. Maybe this offseason they fill the rest of the team with quality back ups.

 

[Innominate]

I’m not an eloquent speaker or writer - I know what I want to say, but have difficulty expressing it.
Anyway, the ideal situation would be for the Saints to do well over these next 10 games and still revamp the coaching staff in the offseason. I don’t know everything that makes a great head coach or a not-so-great one; I don’t believe in “rah-rah” speeches and such; however, I do think that some coaches should stick with what they’ve proven to be good at. There’s nothing wrong with everyone accepting Coach Allen as a D Coordinator and not a head coach - if that what he wants to do.

I think you can do it all is what I’m saying. You can pull together and try to salvage this season with the understanding that a new head coach and staff would be more beneficial for the organization going into the 2025 season.

That's not going to happen though. Who would want to play for a lane duck coach? We're all aboard the Allen Kubiak train for next year. Even if we finish way below 500 I don't see a change happening.

 

[B4YOU]

PFF has two former Saints DT's ranked in the top 12 as interior run defenders in 2024--Onyemata and Roach. Losing Roach to free agency is more painful since he signed a small deal (2 years / $7m), and he appeared to be taking the next step before his injury last year.

Our cap management style has a cost. Onyemata was a cap crunch loss. Roach was lost due to Bresee, Saunders, and Shepherd all getting drafted/paid. The worrisome thing is we don’t seem to identify/grade DL players well. The draft misses and talent that’s moved on is tough to justify. I think Payton brought more to talent evaluation than he gets credit for.

 

[Rouxble]

Our cap management style has a cost. Onyemata was a cap crunch loss. Roach was lost due to Bresee, Saunders, and Shepherd all getting drafted/paid. The worrisome thing is we don’t seem to identify/grade DL players well. The draft misses and talent that’s moved on is tough to justify. I think Payton brought more to talent evaluation than he gets credit for.

 

[BreesusSaves]

Our cap management style has a cost. Onyemata was a cap crunch loss. Roach was lost due to Bresee, Saunders, and Shepherd all getting drafted/paid. The worrisome thing is we don’t seem to identify/grade DL players well. The draft misses and talent that’s moved on is tough to justify. I think Payton brought more to talent evaluation than he gets credit for.

Ryan Nielsen, the former DL coach who did well here, was a Payton hire.

Mike Nolan and Michael Hodges, the Linebackers coaches, were both Payton hires.

Aaron Glenn was a Payton hire.

DA himself as Defensive Backs then Defensive Coordinator was a Payton hire.

Payton hung onto the wrong coaches for way too long, but at the same time he assembled some really high quality staffs.

In Denver, Payton's got the #3 scoring defense and the #3 defense in yards per game. The only starter who has been to a Pro Bowl/All Pro team is Pat Surtain. Seems he has put together yet another good defensive staff after one of the most disastrous outings in NFL history last year.

 

[Que Que 6]

We are going to do everything in our power to finish as close to .500 to get the 15th draft pick as possible.

Then we're gonna run it back next year and we all gotta act shocked when we are a .500 team again.

Welcome to purgatory.

Yup! We can close the thread now.

 

[lilvipa221]

Don’t forget about Granderson, and we have also signed free agents.

I don’t disagree with the sentiment entirely but I do think we have thrown adequate resources at it; we just aren’t seeing the results.

Right but you just keep ignoring the fact that we basically have to bargain bin shop free agents and get teams cast offs while everyone else in the NFL can use free agency to improve their team. This is the part that gets forgotten while you champion the way the Saints do business. We only have the draft and I dont think we have the right people in the front office to draft our next crop of leaders. Everyone that we have "hit" on recently is at best good but not great. Its been a long time since we have drafted a difference maker.

 

[lilvipa221]

The answer to the OP question is, we don't. As long as Mickey and company commit to this style of doing business we will continue to fluctuate from bad to at best average for 5 years at least before the inevitable sucking period. All the while they have bored the fan base with no plan. We are about to enter a very dark period for the franchise if they dont get lucky and draft a transformative QB the moment we finally do get a top pick.

 

[St. Widge]

The answer to the OP question is, we don't. As long as Mickey and company commit to this style of doing business we will continue to fluctuate from bad to at best average for 5 years at least before the inevitable sucking period. All the while they have bored the fan base with no plan. We are about to enter a very dark period for the franchise if they dont get lucky and draft a transformative QB the moment we finally do get a top pick.

We did this style of business for 15 years while Payton was here and it was highly successful. The difference was that we had a much better head coach that also contributed to talent evaluation. Fix the talent evaluation and coaching and you can do business however you want.

Anyway, they are working on getting the cap under control but it's not an instant fix. It should be fine in two years.

 

[BooBirdSaint]

Yeah let's see how the team responds over the next two weekends. Losses to the Bolts and Cryolina and I don't think DA survives the season. Extending AK might be more about maintaining marketable then winning. The good thing for us is the NFC South is dog water and will be for awhile longer.

 

[BenBernake]

We are going to do everything in our power to finish as close to .500 to get the 15th draft pick as possible.

Then we're gonna run it back next year and we all gotta act shocked when we are a .500 team again.

Welcome to purgatory.

 

[Saint Greg]

Our cap management style has a cost. Onyemata was a cap crunch loss. Roach was lost due to Bresee, Saunders, and Shepherd all getting drafted/paid. The worrisome thing is we don’t seem to identify/grade DL players well. The draft misses and talent that’s moved on is tough to justify. I think Payton brought more to talent evaluation than he gets credit for.

We were drafting plenty of bad DL when Payton was here.