We Needed This Beatdown (2 Viewers)

[The X-Man]

Getting blown out by a bad Raiders team was necessary. There was too much delusion within the organization that we can just get healthy and run this back. Darren Rizzi is not an NFL HC, and I've never thought he was. Spencer Rattler is a 5th round talent whose biggest flaws do not get fixed at the NFL level. The rest of the team is void of talent and incredibly old at too many starting positions, specifically on defense. The salary cap is a complete disaster.

The time for a total reset is now. Take your lumps, fire everyone, clear the cap, play a bunch of rookies next season, and go 4-13 next year if you must. Get a top draft pick and find a franchise QB. If we don't do that, we could end up in a franchise spiral that takes a decade to emerge from.

It’s funny how true this statement is: “There is nothing new under the sun.” The comments you make on Rattler are not new; it’s what’s been said about countless young quarterbacks. Sam Darnold comes to mind. The comments on him were EXACTLY what you’re saying about Rattler, yet he’s now leading a 14-2 Vikings team destined for the playoffs in a tough division. I’ve seen this movie before: team gives up on promising QB with upside who goes elsewhere and becomes a franchise quarterback. There is nothing new under the sun.

 

[SystemShock]

Listen. There are human beings on this board, that say depth is depth. That every team loses when they get into their depth. Ignoring 'quality' depth. Ignoring the next man up being a 3rd round pick instead of a UDFA. Now, those same people propped up Dennis Allen for nearly 3 years, and honestly probably would still be defending him today.

But people need to really take a step back and realize that in this example, the Packers have drafted 24 more players in a 5 year period. That's an extra draft pick worthy player at every single position on the field, plus 2 more picks. An entire team of draft graded, drafted depth. I just fail to see how thats not, enormously easy to understand. We have poor quality starters. Old men playing multiple positions. Our best WR is a guy someone else didn't want 5 weeks ago. And nearly the entirety of our 'depth' wouldn't even be on other rosters.

And to nail down the point of how we've been conditioned to not value draft picks, there is a thread asking if we could potentially trade draft picks for Shanahan. You cant make this stuff up.

We are where we are because of Loomis. There is no other way around it. His decisions in the draft and the cap. Its all on him.

Do you think the Packers would be 11-4 if their o-line would have experienced the same injuries and lost playing time to both starters and backups as the Saints'? Without Love? Their 1-2 WRs? RB?

And how about the leader of the Packers' division? The Lions have a good load of free agents. Their QB was run out of town in L.A.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

Getting blown out by a bad Raiders team was necessary. There was too much delusion within the organization that we can just get healthy and run this back. Darren Rizzi is not an NFL HC, and I've never thought he was. Spencer Rattler is a 5th round talent whose biggest flaws do not get fixed at the NFL level. The rest of the team is void of talent and incredibly old at too many starting positions, specifically on defense. The salary cap is a complete disaster.

The time for a total reset is now. Take your lumps, fire everyone, clear the cap, play a bunch of rookies next season, and go 4-13 next year if you must. Get a top draft pick and find a franchise QB. If we don't do that, we could end up in a franchise spiral that takes a decade to emerge from.

Agree with all you wrote, I think it’s been time for a reset.

Also will point out that we’re already half a decade into that spiral.

 

[Brooklyn]

No #1 RB, #1 C, #1 or #2 WR, #1 QB, #1 LG, #2 CB and traded away your #1 CB or your biggest offensive threat in Taysom.

Yeah I get it tear it down, but let’s not act like this isn’t a bunch of 2nd and 3rd string guys playing in place of all your primary starters.

How is it that we are decimated with injuries every single year recently?

 

[gregh]

No #1 RB, #1 C, #1 or #2 WR, #1 QB, #1 LG, #2 CB and traded away your #1 CB or your biggest offensive threat in Taysom.

Yeah I get it tear it down, but let’s not act like this isn’t a bunch of 2nd and 3rd string guys playing in place of all your primary starters.

and they got blown out by a 3-12 team AT HOME

 

[Bill]

They can't just "clear the cap".

Right. It’s going to take two years of ACCEPTING THE SUCK and stop pushing the cap debt farther down the road.
Find some cheap youth to play for you and pay off your debt in ‘25 & ‘26 so that burden won’t handicap your team.

We know the Saints need the right leadership to turn this mess around. But we all need to accept the upcoming losing seasons and give the new coach the time to put his goals and schemes into action. There are no quick fixes here.

 

[Paul]

From watching the team this season to the fans’s sentiment, it appears we have hit rock bottom.
To me, there’s nowhere to go but up.

 

[Quiet Storm]

No #1 RB, #1 C, #1 or #2 WR, #1 QB, #1 LG, #2 CB and traded away your #1 CB or your biggest offensive threat in Taysom.

Yeah I get it tear it down, but let’s not act like this isn’t a bunch of 2nd and 3rd string guys playing in place of all your primary starters.

I love the fact they know Rattler isn't anything while our offense is trotting guys like me on the field..

When I look at the teams that are playing well I see one common thing...healthy.

It's easy to plug a hole on one or two guys but 7, 8 for a whole season is impossible.

 

[HouseCall]

Right. It’s going to take two years of ACCEPTING THE SUCK and stop pushing the cap debt farther down the road.
Find some cheap youth to play for you and pay off your debt in ‘25 & ‘26 so that burden won’t handicap your team.

We know the Saints need the right leadership to turn this mess around. But we all need to accept the upcoming losing seasons and give the new coach the time to put his goals and schemes into action. There are no quick fixes here.

I agree that the FO needs to get things under control relative to the cap, but sadly fans don’t have patience for rebuilds anymore. The next couple of years are going to be really hard to experience as fans.

 

[Bill]

From watching the team this season to the fans’s sentiment, it appears we have hit rock bottom.
To me, there’s nowhere to go but up.

Yes, we are on the bottom. The absolute worst team in the league. And while it’s true that we are rock bottom, the big worry is how long will we flat line down here. The decisions we make this offseason will go a long way to answering that concern.

 

[BBarnes]

The Saints have a 4-19 record against winning teams the last three seasons. We are LOSERS and will continue to be LOSERS until a dramatic change in direction is made. Even with everything going our way it will take at least 3 strong off seasons to turn over the roster, fix the cap and acquire the QB of the future. Gum smacking Loomis is not the man for the job - let's start by getting him out of the GM chair and go from there.

This is what I thought about when he tried the ignorant message “you have to look deeper than the results”

That may be the dumbest I’ve ever heard a GM say. If it was just one season, than yes, but we’ve been a bad team who rarely can beat teams with a winning record for a long time now. The results have told us all what we are for a long time, Loomis has just ignored it.

 

[Hubig]

Yes, we are on the bottom. The absolute worst team in the league. And while it’s true that we are rock bottom, the big worry is how long will we flat line down here. The decisions we make this offseason will go a long way to answering that concern.

One of the worst rosters in the NFL and we're STILL picking 10th right now. Thats NASTY work.

 

[Bill]

One of the worst rosters in the NFL and we're STILL picking 10th right now. Thats NASTY work.

We should have let the Browns and the Giants have their day. We’d be sitting pretty right now.

 

[HouseCall]

The Saints will receive an even greater beatdown next Sunday. It’ll be brutal and I’m not sure I’m up to watching it outside of seeing Rattler one more time before the offseason.

 

[madsaint1967]

No #1 RB, #1 C, #1 or #2 WR, #1 QB, #1 LG, #2 CB and traded away your #1 CB or your biggest offensive threat in Taysom.

Yeah I get it tear it down, but let’s not act like this isn’t a bunch of 2nd and 3rd string guys playing in place of all your primary starters.

How many years do we have to hear this? We’ve had half our team on IR for the last 3 years. Is it the water? I don’t have the answers but this team is snakebit.