What happens to Reggie when Mike Bell returns? (1 Viewer)

[DangBeast]

All it takes is some solid *CONSISTENT* play to turn people around is what I'm saying. Reggie has never really been consistent, and unfortunately seems to be digressing in a few areas of the game right now. It seems to me that when Reggie is playing really well, he hurts himself with his play-style.
He's the "wheel of fortune" when he has the ball. No idea what is going to happen or not happen... it's terrifying.

That doesn't excite you a little bit? I mean, not knowing is scary, yet exciting.

COMEON! I agree with you 100%. Try to think about it this way. Normally players get 4 preseason games to warm up, right? Get prepaired for the long gruling season? Reggie had exactly, 2 plays in preseason. So, he gets a week off and against the NY Giants, It will be his first game. Right?

 

[gtaz21]

Reggie's touches will go down slightly at first. Payton will then judge how the game plan works with a rotation of PT, Bell and Reggie. Hopefully, he makes an honest accurate assessment of how to work the ratio, not one that's based on how much money the back makes. If he makes an honest assessment, I say it will all depend on how the three backs respond to the rotation.

 

[Gumerk]

I would like to see Bell and Pierre get an equal split if at all possible. As far as Reggie goes, I would like to see him on some third downs, and were needed, but he has got to clean his act up! His turn-over problem has become a liability. You can say everyone turns the ball over, and that's true, but Bush is doing it a lot lately. He needs to get back his confidence and consistency. These two are priority interventions he should be focusing on like yesterday. To ignore it, and not realize its potential threat to winning football games, is setting us up for failure.

 

[StJacques]

I don't see any changes in his role. I see another option opening up though.

I think this kind of gets to the heart of it--options.

When Bell returns the playbook expands as Payton has more options to throw into the mix.

My best guess however, is that we'll see a lot of Bell and Bush together in the lineup at the same time. I tried to keep track of what went down when Pierre Thomas was in and I did not see a lot of Reggie on those plays. I think it will be more likely that Bush will be in at the same time as Bell, in much the same way as we saw Reggie and Deuce work together in 2006.

 

[staciepete]

Man, I'm about as big a Reggie guy as there is, but even I have to admit that it would seem silly to keep forcing him into the game with a healthy Mike Bell and Pierre Thomas available.

PT has been so good that I suppose a case could be made to keep him as the primary back, but from what we've seen so far this year I'd argue for:

1st down: Bell
2nd down: Bell and Thomas split equally
3rd Down: Thomas mostly - a little Reggie

I would not be shocked to see Reggie's playing time be greatly diminished once we have a full stable of backs again.

Bottom line is that Reggie will almost certainly not be back next year unless he agrees to a MASSIVE pay cut.

Reggie will continue to have his name called. Reggie will make a few big plays here and there. Reggie will appear to be unsure of himself. I am not a coach, but by all means, I would play the best player available, and in the "Healthy" Bell / Thomas situation, he is simply not that.

To me, again I am no coach, NFL scout, NFL analysis, but Reggie has become that expensive car, that the middle class man has purchased, that sits in the garage, waiting to be taken for a drive to be shown off.

That expensive car is not necessary, not needed, and eventually you realize you need to get rid of it.

Man, I am going to take a lump on the chin for this post.

 

[504craze]

That doesn't excite you a little bit? I mean, not knowing is scary, yet exciting.

COMEON! I agree with you 100%. Try to think about it this way. Normally players get 4 preseason games to warm up, right? Get prepaired for the long gruling season? Reggie had exactly, 2 plays in preseason. So, he gets a week off and against the NY Giants, It will be his first game. Right?

Wrong...he is payed millions of dollars to play the game of football and he has been practicing and surrounded by football and training for this present sesaon for months now. That pre season talk is an attempt at an excuse for his pathetic lack of production and miscues so far this season.
And your first comment concerning scary yet exciting...if I have an extremely solid football team with a real shot this year I wouldnt want to see the ball in a player's hands that when he has the ball i am "scared" of what the outcome will be. Regardless of how exciting it COULD be.

 

[StJacques]

. . . Man, I am going to take a lump on the chin for this post.

Yep!




<TABLE style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ddf700 2px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ddf700 2px solid; BORDER-TOP: #ddf700 2px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ddf700 2px solid" border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 align=center><TBODY><TR><TD>

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

 

[SuePrudhomme]

I'll put my response in a multiple-choice format. If I have a toolbox, and that toolbox contains a hammer and a flat head screwdriver, then adding a Phillips head screwdriver will:

A) Allow me to throw away my hammer,
B) Cause me to throw away my Phillips head screwdriver and make do with the flat head,
C) Cause me to shop around for a cheaper flat head screwdriver,
D) Allow me always to have the right tool with me for the job at hand.

All three RBs have their benefits and their drawbacks; Bush's drawbacks may be more visible, but at least some of that is due to the scrutiny he undergoes (and has undergone since before he was drafted). Is Reggie more of a special-purpose player? Arguably, yes--but special-purpose is not the same as purposeless.

 

[staciepete]

Yep!




<TABLE style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ddf700 2px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ddf700 2px solid; BORDER-TOP: #ddf700 2px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ddf700 2px solid" border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 align=center><TBODY><TR><TD>

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

You could have waited until I spit my dip out, now I have Copenhagen all over my mouth....................

I change my mind, I Love Reggie Now. I will not explain here, its already touched on in another thread, sure you will see it...........

4 & 0 BABY, thats all that matters at the current time, to me anyway..

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

I posted this topic because I don't believe it's been addressed yet. It's not a pro/anti Reggie Bush thread (although some are trying to make it that way).

It's an objective look at how the return of our 2 traditional backs (Bell and PT) will effect our hybrid back (Reggie).

I think you answered your own question right there. Reggie is not a traditional back and isn't used that way. I haven't broken down all the plays he's in... but it appears that when he's in the Saints are in passing formations, and Drew can audible into a run for Reggie if the defense shows a formation. Mike and Pierre line up in a lot of I-formations -- I haven't seen Reggie in that formation this year (I may have missed it).

To me, this looks like Mike and Pierre play the "same position" and Reggie plays something different. So Mike won't take carries away from Reggie - Mike instead will spell Pierre. It also looks apparent that Pierre is no more effective at moving the pile than Reggie, so Mike might be used in those situations. Look at the past 2 games -- Reggie is getting most of his touches in the first half - when the passing game is used more... and he's averaging over 5 yards per carry the last 2 games. Pierre is used in the second half as the defense wears down. Why should this change? Both backs right now are extremely effective running the ball right now.

Reggie will continue to get 5-10 carries, and 5-10 passes per game for 10-15 touches per game. What will limit Reggie's carries are the game situations that determine if we should be passing more or traditionally running more.

As far as the offseason - we should leave that to the offseason. I believe Reggie restructured his contract last year to take more money as a bonus, so it may be more cap friendly to keep him on the roster this year.

To be honest, I'd prefer to not have a back with a single 100 yard game this year -- I'd rather see an 80 yard per game rusher and 50 yard per game rusher and 30 yard per game rusher every game. This will keep our backs healthy into the post-season.

 

[AceTW]

*sigh*

Slap fight city, here we come again..........

 

[Arokusaki]

first off. WHY WOULD HE NOT BE BACK NEXT YEAR!?!?! HE SIGNED A 6 YEAR CONTRACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! get the facts before you post your little hearts out!!!

Talk about "get the facts first." The NFL is one of the only leagues where player contracts aren't guaranteed. Hence, a player can be cut before his contract is set to expire... See Mike Mckenzie. Also, next year will most likely be an uncapped season; so the disincentive to cutting a player early, the salary cap penalty, will be gone. Reggie will either restructure or get cut next season, that's reality.

Probably not, you probably just started watching after the Eagles game. Thanks for trying, next time find someone who doesn't know what the **** he is talking about.

Is a guy who joined in Jun 09 calling out a guy who joined in Sep 09 for bandwagoning?

EDIT/ADDITION: IM DONE WITH THIS THREAD.........!!

And then you post... 3 more times.

You win the award for worst new poster of the season!

 

[Mackenzie]

couldnt agree more...reggie bush is a liability for this team...so far this year his TO's have cost the teams 14 points, we are lucky that we had a comfortable lead when he had those TO's otherwise all of of the crescent city would be yelling for his head...unless he accepts a 60 to 70 percent paycut...he will be shopped in the offseason if not sooner

Who will trade for him with that cap number? If he can't shine in our offense, why would he shine in another? Let's get back to enjoying this victory though shall we?

 

[FrenchieATX]

NO. Reggie is a great asset the passing and running game. He opens things up for others. Any wonder our passing game has been suffering ....it's because reggie isn't in the flat or faking a reverse as much....

Could that have to do with playing better defenses?