Who is the definate #1 CB in the Draft? (1 Viewer)

[SuperQuincy]

www.nfldraftscout.com

Thanks for that site D3vanj, or thanks Duece Mac Fan for the post.


According to that Aqib Talib was credited with 252 third down stops. Now thats a HUGE stat I didn't even know. I will have to fit that into more of my debates.

 

[longtime lurker]

also,

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drc please

Thanks for that link. I love the footage of him playing during the season. You know the guy has speed when he's coming off the edge and blocking multipule kicks....wow.

 

[longtime lurker]

does drc do any returns?

I think he has over a 24 yard kick return average.

 

[cruize]

Cromartie - Size, speed, playmaking abilities.
Talib - Size, speed, faced top competition, good character.
Cason - Size, faced top competition, polished.
Jenkins - Abilities equal to best. 5'10".
Lee - Can cover, played in SEC, great against the run.
McKelvin - Talented. Corner/returner.

 

[Kegger]

he cant catch and he has let up 34 of 70 passes, thats a 48 % completion rate, compared to antoine cason who has let up 22 of 72 which is a 32 % completion rate
how is leodis the most pro-ready

That stat is very questionable because you have no idea what defense they were playing, how much help they got, how much pressure their pass rush put on opposing QBs, etc. etc.

 

[St. PJ]

I would make my arguement for Talib, but I don;t wanna get the kiddes all riled up and have to see that one Jordy Nelson play again. SO I will stay out of this thread (aside from this post) But I will link you to 2 discussions we had today reguarding the corners where I have laid out alot of info on him.

http://www.saintsreport.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63914

http://www.saintsreport.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63894

Thanks for the Links.

 

[Kegger]

www.nfldraftscout.com

Thanks for that site D3vanj, or thanks Duece Mac Fan for the post.


According to that Aqib Talib was credited with 252 third down stops. Now thats a HUGE stat I didn't even know. I will have to fit that into more of my debates.

I'm surprised that you actually thought that stat was accurate and not a typo

 

[Kegger]

Cromartie - Size, speed, playmaking abilities.
Talib - Size, speed, faced top competition, good character.
Cason - Size, faced top competition, polished.
Jenkins - Abilities equal to best. 5'10".
Lee - Can cover, played in SEC, great against the run.
McKelvin - Talented. Corner/returner.

Here is NFL Draft Countdown's evaluation of Talib's weaknesses:

Weaknesses:
Will take too many risks...Does not play as fast as he times and lacks a burst...Is not real physical...Just average in run support...Struggles to recover...Inconsistent and is not very disciplined..Has too much confidence in his abilities...Footwork and technique need refining..Gets beat more often than he should...Has off-the-field / character issues that need to be investigated and evaluated...A high bust factor?

 

[St. PJ]

I think its pretty much impossible to answer that question... everyone has their oown opinion of who is the best CB, but it can't be answered.

Different CBs excel in different schemes. A better question could have been...

Who is the best man-to-man CB?
Who is the best press man CB?
Who is the best zone (Cov-2) CB?
Who is the most physical CB (run support)?

And even these are opinionated.

I guess the best CB is the guy you like the most.

In my case.. I rank them:

Jenkins
DRC
McElvin
Talib
Cason
Flowers

But I want us to draft DRC...

I do love the questions you bring up. I would like one of these guys as well as either Dorsey, Ellis, or Rivers. I am not sure which of these corners best fits our team, nor am I sure which of the two top DTs are better for us. DRC's size and speed in shorts are very tempting, and who knows if this makes him a Haslett guy or if he has the intelligence and intangibles to be a Payton guy? I don't, but I am sure the FO has a good idea of what they want. Is there a way to wind up with a top DT and CB? As badly as I want the top DT more than the top CB, it may be impractical to get him. Considering the depth at CB and the drop off at DT, would it server us better to get the top DT and take the best corner available in round two? Or does the top corner for us-- again very debatable-- make us better in tandem with a tier two DT? In my point of view, no, but I have been yelling that all offseason.

Again I must consider if both DT's are gone and there is no realistic chance of getting Haynesworth, should we take someone like DRC in round one or grab Rivers and take the best corner left in round two? Of course if we take DRC, and he turns out to be all pro, and Dorsey battles injuries and Ellis reveals himself to be overrated, we look good. On the otherhand, we take either Dorsey or Ellis, and Flowers or Talib if available in round two, and both play well, maybe we look better. I just don't think the impact of DRC and say DT Sims are as good for us as maybe Ellis and best round two corner would be for us.

The purpose of this thread was to illustrate that none of us can decide who is the best corner for us; and that in doing so point out that the top two DT's are better options considering we can very likely get one of these top 5 corners in round two.

 

[lazybones]

I do love the questions you bring up. I would like one of these guys as well as either Dorsey, Ellis, or Rivers. I am not sure which of these corners best fits our team, nor am I sure which of the two top DTs are better for us. DRC's size and speed in shorts are very tempting, and who knows if this makes him a Haslett guy or if he has the intelligence and intangibles to be a Payton guy? I don't, but I am sure the FO has a good idea of what they want. Is there a way to wind up with a top DT and CB? As badly as I want the top DT more than the top CB, it may be impractical to get him. Considering the depth at CB and the drop off at DT, would it server us better to get the top DT and take the best corner available in round two? Or does the top corner for us-- again very debatable-- make us better in tandem with a tier two DT? In my point of view, no, but I have been yelling that all offseason.

Again I must consider if both DT's are gone and there is no realistic chance of getting Haynesworth, should we take someone like DRC in round one or grab Rivers and take the best corner left in round two? Of course if we take DRC, and he turns out to be all pro, and Dorsey battles injuries and Ellis reveals himself to be overrated, we look good. On the otherhand, we take either Dorsey or Ellis, and Flowers or Talib if available in round two, and both play well, maybe we look better. I just don't think the impact of DRC and say DT Sims are as good for us as maybe Ellis and best round two corner would be for us.

The purpose of this thread was to illustrate that none of us can decide who is the best corner for us; and that in doing so point out that the top two DT's are better options considering we can very likely get one of these top 5 corners in round two.

You are one of the very few people who actually have admitted on this board they have are not an evaluation specialist. None of us can tell you who will make the best transition to the NFL. RGay, not that I am saying he is a superstar, was not even drafted and the list goes on.

The FO's of every team gamble every time they step up to the mic.

 

[Saint Droopy]

I do love the questions you bring up. I would like one of these guys as well as either Dorsey, Ellis, or Rivers. I am not sure which of these corners best fits our team, nor am I sure which of the two top DTs are better for us. DRC's size and speed in shorts are very tempting, and who knows if this makes him a Haslett guy or if he has the intelligence and intangibles to be a Payton guy? I don't, but I am sure the FO has a good idea of what they want. Is there a way to wind up with a top DT and CB? As badly as I want the top DT more than the top CB, it may be impractical to get him. Considering the depth at CB and the drop off at DT, would it server us better to get the top DT and take the best corner available in round two? Or does the top corner for us-- again very debatable-- make us better in tandem with a tier two DT? In my point of view, no, but I have been yelling that all offseason.

Again I must consider if both DT's are gone and there is no realistic chance of getting Haynesworth, should we take someone like DRC in round one or grab Rivers and take the best corner left in round two? Of course if we take DRC, and he turns out to be all pro, and Dorsey battles injuries and Ellis reveals himself to be overrated, we look good. On the otherhand, we take either Dorsey or Ellis, and Flowers or Talib if available in round two, and both play well, maybe we look better. I just don't think the impact of DRC and say DT Sims are as good for us as maybe Ellis and best round two corner would be for us.

The purpose of this thread was to illustrate that none of us can decide who is the best corner for us; and that in doing so point out that the top two DT's are better options considering we can very likely get one of these top 5 corners in round two.

If either of the 2 DTs are available its pretty much a no-brainer... even with Dorsey's "injury concerns" I think there's now way we pass him up.

The cool part about filling your holes BEFORE the draft is that you really won't need a rookie to step in and contribute NOW... unless that rookie is just that good.

Assuming Dorsey and Ellis are both gone... I don't see anyone else at 10 worthy of a #10 pick. Clady maybe... or even Rivers would be a decent pick, but there is more value at LB in the 2nd round. Also... for those that want to trade the #10 pick... who will be available at 10 that would make a team trade up?

We probably won't necessarily NEED a CB at 10, but guys like McElvin, DRC, and jenkins may not be around in the 2nd. I do know that these 3 guys excel at man coverage... I hope the FO choose wisely.

 

[Bak2ThaLab]

if u want to go with versatility, someone who can play multiple positions (CB/PR/KR), I'd go with McKelvin. His ability to catch the ball has been questioned, but that can be taught. He has good press and off-man coverage skills and he had 7 kickoff returns for touchdowns in his college career (one shy of the NCAA record by the way). Some may also question his level of competition, but I'd love to have a guy who was coached by the same coordinators that has given the NFL Osi Umenyiora and DeMarcus Ware (both Troy alumni).

 

[Pickz]

DRC will be the best CB and he will have a impact on the return game like Devin Hester... I wish we draft him he's gonna be the steal of the draft by far and make the biggest impact on a team.

 

[CargoJon]

DRC will be the best CB and he will have a impact on the return game like Devin Hester... I wish we draft him he's gonna be the steal of the draft by far and make the biggest impact on a team.

If we pick him 10th overall, I woulndn't call it a "steal". If we picked him up in the 2nd, it could be considered a "steal."

 

[St. PJ]

If either of the 2 DTs are available its pretty much a no-brainer... even with Dorsey's "injury concerns" I think there's now way we pass him up.

The cool part about filling your holes BEFORE the draft is that you really won't need a rookie to step in and contribute NOW... unless that rookie is just that good.

Assuming Dorsey and Ellis are both gone... I don't see anyone else at 10 worthy of a #10 pick. Clady maybe... or even Rivers would be a decent pick, but there is more value at LB in the 2nd round. Also... for those that want to trade the #10 pick... who will be available at 10 that would make a team trade up?

We probably won't necessarily NEED a CB at 10, but guys like McElvin, DRC, and jenkins may not be around in the 2nd. I do know that these 3 guys excel at man coverage... I hope the FO choose wisely.

I agree with your thinking. We pick at 41 in the second round. Last year, the 4th corner was chosen in that spot (the first at 14) and 5 LB's and 4 DT's were already off the board.

In 2006, at 41, 9 LB's, 3 DT's and 5 CB's (the first at 15) were off the board by that time.

in 2005 at 41, gone were 6 LB's, 2 DT's, and 5 CB's (the first at 6).

In 2004 at 41, gone were 6 LB's, 4 DT's, and 5 CB's (the first at 8).

In 2003 at 41, gone were 5 LB's, 4 DT's and 7 CB's (the first at 5).

So in the last 5 years by the time we pick, on average availble were the 7th LB, the 4th DT, and the 6th corner. Of the 31 LB's taken in that range, 27 are still starters, a pretty high percentage of hits; of the 17 DT's, 14 are still starters, again a very good rate of quality; of the 25 CB's, 17 are stilll starters. CB has the lowest percentage of starters of the 3 positions we are considering most for the 1st or 2nd round picks. To me, drafting a DT or LB is more of a sure thing in the top 41 picks than a CB. For this reason, I would prefer Rivers at 10 if both Dorsey and Ellis are gone and if we must take a corner instead of trading for Sheppard, take one in round two. I wouldn't be too upset if we didn't draft a corner till round 3, as long as we grab a DT and LB in rounds one in two, or even S in two.