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liveoakh said:
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7. Post-game conduct ⎯refused to shake hands with Utah and refused to talk to reporters after the UCLA loss.


8. Nature ⎯Wants to get out of structure as a passer and get reckless as a runner (increased injury risk). He reverts to locking in with receivers. Additionally, he talked down about a fan calling him a “sheep,” and he does unpredictable and uncensored things ranging from painting obscenities on his fingernails to jumping into the stands and crying in his mother’s arms.

9. Inexperienced dealing with adversity ⎯According to Sports Illustrated (Nov. 28, 2023) Williams said, “I’ve never been in this situation, where I’m 7–5 and there are no playoff hopes at the end of the season. I’m dealing with it emotionally, dealing with it spiritually and physically. ”
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Ah, yes! The one other place that makes this assertion.
 
Kenna Kid said:
Dont forget he also wants a percentage of ownership to whoever drafts him:ROFLMAO:
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Pretty sure he didn't actually say this, it's some paraphrased comment his dad made about one day having ownership stake in a team (something like that)
 
liveoakh said:
I know he not a QB. I was trying to explain, that I just don't call bust on players this early very often. I have been right about the players I have. Williams will be vastly over drafted, but will stay in the NFL much like Bryce and Zach. What I call a 1st rd bust.
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Byrye is just entering his second year, so it's a little early to call him a bust.
 
Hedon James said:
I also think Maye and Daniels are the trophy QBs of this draft. I think Maye is a franchise QB. I have questions on Daniels. He's had a phenomenal season at LSU, but he was nothing special at Arizona. Is he a 1-year wonder? Is he a product of the system? Is he just a good fit for LSU offense? Or did he finally develop and ascend to the next level? He could be special, like Maye, or he could bust, like I expect Williams will. Or he could be anywhere in between.

I see Maye as the most likely to achieve his projected ceiling. I see Williams as the most likely to achieve his projected floor. I see Daniels as the biggest unknown, and maybe the biggest determinant will be the team who takes him and the coaching they provide him. With all that said....Maye is my clear #1, and Daniels is my clear #2. Williams is my clear "trade-out, take the haul of picks, and you can select him".

None if it matters, because we're not gonna even get a sniff of those players. I like some of the 2nd tier players (Nix, Penix, McCarthy) and even the 3rd tier guys (Rattler is intriguing), but certainly not in the 1st Round. I don't think we're taking ANY QBs, cuz DA is married to DC4 like Ditka was married to Ricky Williams. I think Haener was drafted with full intentions of moving on from JW2. Kubiak as the new OC has muddied the waters a little,...we know who he's worked with before, but he didn't select those guys....those guys were there when Kubiak arrived. And we don't know what he WANTS in a QB? Our biggest clue is probably Purdy. He was there for the selection, and the subsequent development, so I imagine that is probably close to his preferences. Certainly a successful partnership. I think Haener has some similar skills as Purdy, although on the smaller side. I'm more than a little curious to see what Kubiak does with Haener. If Haener becomes the backup QB this season, he probably has a future in Kubiaks offense, IMO. If he remains the #3, or if Kubiak brings in one of his former QBs to backup Carr, we're still in the market for a QB. But in light of what Kubiak has done with Purdy, I am encouraged with Haener's outlook. I'm not expecting Haener to become the 2nd coming of Purdy (although I wouldn't be upset about that!), but a viable starting QB running Kubiak's system the way he wants it run will go a LONG way in helping to alleviate cap issues at the QB position.

Anyone want to speculate on what Kubiak WANTS and/or LIKES in a QB? And who might fit that mold, in this years or (more likely) next years draft?
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I largely agree with all of this. Maye is probably the best traditional prospect and Daniels is a exactly what you want in a dual threat QB that has become more popular. But that has to be schemed for and won't work if it isn't. Is Daniels a one year wonder or a late bloomer? I have no idea. Williams, even if you set aside some of the potential character issues, has some serious flaws to his game. He throws quite a few prayer balls, carries the ball very loose when he's running and throws off his back foot at times. Yes, he's made some spectacular plays, but many of what worked in college would end in terrible outcomes in the NFL. I'm not saying he'd be off my board, but there is zero change that I'd take him in the top 20.

As for the Kubiak and Haener prospects, that is the dream scenario. If an OC can turn our 4th round QB into a legit starter, I'll take that every time.
 
SoggyBottomBoy said:
Too lazy to look it up, but if this is all true that is amazing. I had no idea the Bears were historically that bad at QB.
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Technically theyve never even had anyone throw for 3900. Only franchise in the NFL to not have a 4k yard passer. It is an awful place to play QB. Theyve only had 12 seasons over 3k. We have 12 seasons over 4k and 25 over 3k season.

In a shocking bit of info, the next franchise with the lowest single season yardage total? The Jets with 4007 and Joe Namath. Aaron Rodgers couldnt even get his achilles tendon to last a half quarter for the Jets.

Williams’ people almost need to orchestrate a draft slip or come out and say he isnt going to Chicago. The OP will be right if it’s Chicago, or Carolina, but they’ve already mortgaged their future and sanity. I have to wonder what Mahomes wouldve ended up looking like if he went to Chicago. It just seems like a place quarterbacks go to bust.

Anywhere else he should be outstanding.
 

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Elvis said:
I largely agree with all of this. Maye is probably the best traditional prospect and Daniels is a exactly what you want in a dual threat QB that has become more popular. But that has to be schemed for and won't work if it isn't. Is Daniels a one year wonder or a late bloomer? I have no idea. Williams, even if you set aside some of the potential character issues, has some serious flaws to his game. He throws quite a few prayer balls, carries the ball very loose when he's running and throws off his back foot at times. Yes, he's made some spectacular plays, but many of what worked in college would end in terrible outcomes in the NFL. I'm not saying he'd be off my board, but there is zero change that I'd take him in the top 20.

As for the Kubiak and Haener prospects, that is the dream scenario. If an OC can turn our 4th round QB into a legit starter, I'll take that every time.
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That must be why he threw so many picks 🙂
 
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Hedon James said:
Anyone want to speculate on what Kubiak WANTS and/or LIKES in a QB? And who might fit that mold, in this years or (more likely) next years draft?
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That's gonna come down to the GM/HC not the OC. Can't imagine Kubiak making the decision on that.
 
Hedon James said:
I see Maye as the most likely to achieve his projected ceiling. I see Williams as the most likely to achieve his projected floor. I see Daniels as the biggest unknown, and maybe the biggest determinant will be the team who takes him and the coaching they provide him. With all that said....Maye is my clear #1, and Daniels is my clear #2. Williams is my clear "trade-out, take the haul of picks, and you can select him".
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You could make the argument that he didn't have a great supporting cast last year at UNC, but the times I saw him play there is no way I'm taking him over Daniels....
 
If he for some unexplained reason he dropped to 14 I would draft him in a heartbeat.

No player drafted is ever a 100% guarantee. Your always taking some element of risk.

Caleb Williams is a freak athlete, those qualities are just god given gifts that can't be taught. Any concerns about his maturity and growth can be worked on. If he is placed in the right environment with the right coaches its not hard to see a world where he can thrive.

I have zero issues with people evaluating Maye or Daniels ahead of Williams, but if your a team that needs a QB it would be idiotic to pass on him. You roll those dice every single time.

Don't get me started on how the Jets are where QB's get drafted and then ruined. There track record proofs they have zero ability to develop QB's. Its not that surprising to me that Geno Smith has had a reassurance in Seattle. Wilson might not have ever been worthy of his high draft pick but the Jets did him no favors.
 
If there was a Laremy Tunsil gas mask situation on draft day with Caleb he still wouldn't fall out of the top 10 lol. The discourse in here is unreal.
 
Elvis said:
Read the thread instead of putting words in my mouth homie. I didn't call him unstable, somebody else implied that emotionally unstable players succeed in the NFL, I only asked how many were QBs. I said he was immature and had a fragile ego. Draw from that what you want.
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Read the part at the beginning of my post. "If you are saying Williams in emotionally unstable "
 
liveoakh said:
Sean also said we should hire DA...........we can see how that's going. That kid is going to break team hearts.
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SMH coaches talking about players is a lot more honest than coaches talking about other coaches, especially about ones that were on their staff. What do you think SP was gonna say , Don't hire DA my DC? And while I'm not a DA fan every indication is that he's done very well in OC and chocking hires this offseason. If we go 11-6 and win a couple playoff games could be SP was right
 
liveoakh said:

I have only predicted early about 4 guys to be busts over the last 3 yrs. (you can look it up) 3 have been busts Zach Wilson, Bryce Young, and Trevor Penning. Caleb Williams will break the hearts of the team that drafts him as high as he is projected. They were saying Bryce was a generational talent last yr. He is not.​

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I have called busts before Caleb Williams.​

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bryce-young-weak-throwing-arm-nfl-draft/Bryce Young is fools gold. He isn't even a top ten pick. Any team drafting this kid in the top ten is rolling the dice. Despite what the talking heads have to say, he is a risk to bust out. They said the same thing about Zach...
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Ridiculous, out of your 2 busts 1 has 1 yr under his belt and the other was hurt his rookie season and the offseason of the next. SMH
 
DSnfla said:
Read the part at the beginning of my post. "If you are saying Williams in emotionally unstable "
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If you're saying that monkeys fly out of your rear end, then you can walk on rainbows.

Do you see how ridiculous you sound to attach a premise to someone that didn't say what you're implying they said? Come on now.
 

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