N/S Why has it taken so long for Caleb Williams to be exposed as a Bust? Smells like the Jets Zac Wilson.

[sfidc3]

I see Maye as the most likely to achieve his projected ceiling. I see Williams as the most likely to achieve his projected floor. I see Daniels as the biggest unknown, and maybe the biggest determinant will be the team who takes him and the coaching they provide him. With all that said....Maye is my clear #1, and Daniels is my clear #2. Williams is my clear "trade-out, take the haul of picks, and you can select him".

You could make the argument that he didn't have a great supporting cast last year at UNC, but the times I saw him play there is no way I'm taking him over Daniels....

 

[ravenblade23x]

If he for some unexplained reason he dropped to 14 I would draft him in a heartbeat.

No player drafted is ever a 100% guarantee. Your always taking some element of risk.

Caleb Williams is a freak athlete, those qualities are just god given gifts that can't be taught. Any concerns about his maturity and growth can be worked on. If he is placed in the right environment with the right coaches its not hard to see a world where he can thrive.

I have zero issues with people evaluating Maye or Daniels ahead of Williams, but if your a team that needs a QB it would be idiotic to pass on him. You roll those dice every single time.

Don't get me started on how the Jets are where QB's get drafted and then ruined. There track record proofs they have zero ability to develop QB's. Its not that surprising to me that Geno Smith has had a reassurance in Seattle. Wilson might not have ever been worthy of his high draft pick but the Jets did him no favors.

 

[jboss]

If there was a Laremy Tunsil gas mask situation on draft day with Caleb he still wouldn't fall out of the top 10 lol. The discourse in here is unreal.

 

[DSnfla]

Read the thread instead of putting words in my mouth homie. I didn't call him unstable, somebody else implied that emotionally unstable players succeed in the NFL, I only asked how many were QBs. I said he was immature and had a fragile ego. Draw from that what you want.

Read the part at the beginning of my post. "If you are saying Williams in emotionally unstable "

 

[DSnfla]

Sean also said we should hire DA...........we can see how that's going. That kid is going to break team hearts.

SMH coaches talking about players is a lot more honest than coaches talking about other coaches, especially about ones that were on their staff. What do you think SP was gonna say , Don't hire DA my DC? And while I'm not a DA fan every indication is that he's done very well in OC and chocking hires this offseason. If we go 11-6 and win a couple playoff games could be SP was right

 

[DSnfla]

I have only predicted early about 4 guys to be busts over the last 3 yrs. (you can look it up) 3 have been busts Zach Wilson, Bryce Young, and Trevor Penning. Caleb Williams will break the hearts of the team that drafts him as high as he is projected. They were saying Bryce was a generational talent last yr. He is not.​

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I have called busts before Caleb Williams.​

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Ridiculous, out of your 2 busts 1 has 1 yr under his belt and the other was hurt his rookie season and the offseason of the next. SMH

 

[Elvis]

Read the part at the beginning of my post. "If you are saying Williams in emotionally unstable "

If you're saying that monkeys fly out of your rear end, then you can walk on rainbows.

Do you see how ridiculous you sound to attach a premise to someone that didn't say what you're implying they said? Come on now.

 

[liveoakh]

Byrye is just entering his second year, so it's a little early to call him a bust.

I get what you are saying. But, when a team gives up 2 #1s and change to draft you and you are not good out the box...........you a 1st rd bust.

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

I get what you are saying. But, when a team gives up 2 #1s and change to draft you and you are not good out the box...........you a 1st rd bust.

That's not how careers work.

 

[liveoakh]

I'm bookmarking this thread. I'll bet the farm this one will age like a carton of milk left out in the sun on an August day. Worse than our

You do that. Funny, that is what everyone said about my Zach Wilson, and Bryce Young posts. Where are those guys now? Crickets!!!

 

[liveoakh]

That's not how careers work.

So, you would want him in a Saints uniform?

 

[liveoakh]

Look Zoltar, those 3 were honestly not stretches. If you look back at many drafts, most of the 1st round picks are busts. People doubted all 3 that you predicted. Bryce was both overrated and in an impossible situation with Carolina and Tepper Madness. Nearly the same thing with the Jets, but I think Wilson somehow is less talented than Young. And Penning played at a directional school, in IOWA.

The problem is, Im not sure you could send Jesus in his prime to Chicago and he would meet expectations, so Williams would be up against the wall before he stepped on a field. There is no history of quality QB play in Chicago. Its a nearly impossible place to play historically, and its not like they are a QB away from contending.

His only goal in life should be to somehow not end up in Chicago.

How good was the Texans, the Bengals, and Jacksonville, before CJ, Burrow, and Trevor got there?

 

[liveoakh]

Ah, yes! The one other place that makes this assertion.

Google Search

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Former NFL Scout: Caleb Williams is a Bust

Watch every game of USC QB Caleb Williams in 2023 embedded into this article.

firstroundmock.com

Concerns​

1. Downward trajectory ⎯Williams regressed in 2023.


2. NFL Expectations ⎯will be crazy high. The expectations alone will cause him to be a bust.


3. Time to throw ⎯Pro Football Focus recorded Williams at 3.44 seconds in 2022 and 3.21 seconds in 2023. Williams was sacked 63 times (2022-2023). Only seven NFL QBs are over 3 seconds (NEXT GEN STATS). Bears’ QB Justin Fields was the slowest (3.23 seconds). Fields was sacked 99 times (2022-2023).


4. Glorifed system QB ⎯I did an independent study this season, Williams’ best completion percentages came throwing 44-62% short passes. His three worst games (55.9%-57.5%) were fewer short passes.


5. Not a big game QB ⎯Williams was 2-9 against ranked teams the past two seasons.


6. Fumbles ⎯ 32 fumbles in 36 games.


7. Post-game conduct ⎯refused to shake hands with Utah and refused to talk to reporters after the UCLA loss.


8. Nature ⎯Wants to get out of structure as a passer and get reckless as a runner (increased injury risk). He reverts to locking in with receivers. Additionally, he talked down about a fan calling him a “sheep,” and he does unpredictable and uncensored things ranging from painting obscenities on his fingernails to jumping into the stands and crying in his mother’s arms.


9. Inexperienced dealing with adversity ⎯According to Sports Illustrated (Nov. 28, 2023) Williams said, “I’ve never been in this situation, where I’m 7–5 and there are no playoff hopes at the end of the season. I’m dealing with it emotionally, dealing with it spiritually and physically. ”


10. Holiday Bowl ⎯USC bounced right back (same offensive line and defense) against No. 15 Louisville with QB Miller Moss who was making his first career start and he matched Williams’ USC high of six touchdown passes in a game.

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

Google Search

www.google.com

Former NFL Scout: Caleb Williams is a Bust

Watch every game of USC QB Caleb Williams in 2023 embedded into this article.

firstroundmock.com

Concerns​

1. Downward trajectory ⎯Williams regressed in 2023.


2. NFL Expectations ⎯will be crazy high. The expectations alone will cause him to be a bust.


3. Time to throw ⎯Pro Football Focus recorded Williams at 3.44 seconds in 2022 and 3.21 seconds in 2023. Williams was sacked 63 times (2022-2023). Only seven NFL QBs are over 3 seconds (NEXT GEN STATS). Bears’ QB Justin Fields was the slowest (3.23 seconds). Fields was sacked 99 times (2022-2023).


4. Glorifed system QB ⎯I did an independent study this season, Williams’ best completion percentages came throwing 44-62% short passes. His three worst games (55.9%-57.5%) were fewer short passes.


5. Not a big game QB ⎯Williams was 2-9 against ranked teams the past two seasons.


6. Fumbles ⎯ 32 fumbles in 36 games.


7. Post-game conduct ⎯refused to shake hands with Utah and refused to talk to reporters after the UCLA loss.


8. Nature ⎯Wants to get out of structure as a passer and get reckless as a runner (increased injury risk). He reverts to locking in with receivers. Additionally, he talked down about a fan calling him a “sheep,” and he does unpredictable and uncensored things ranging from painting obscenities on his fingernails to jumping into the stands and crying in his mother’s arms.


9. Inexperienced dealing with adversity ⎯According to Sports Illustrated (Nov. 28, 2023) Williams said, “I’ve never been in this situation, where I’m 7–5 and there are no playoff hopes at the end of the season. I’m dealing with it emotionally, dealing with it spiritually and physically. ”


10. Holiday Bowl ⎯USC bounced right back (same offensive line and defense) against No. 15 Louisville with QB Miller Moss who was making his first career start and he matched Williams’ USC high of six touchdown passes in a game.

Yes! The one and only other place making this assertion.