With the 9th Pick in the 2025 draft, who should the Saints select? (merged) (7 Viewers)

[tyler735]

Simply saving this space for my yearly I told ya so dance...

Suppose I'll save this space for the Bowers is actually a generational prospect and undoubtedly better than Warren told ya so dance...

Looking forward to seeing if Tyler Warren can go over 100 catches and 1,200+ scrimmage yards as a rookie

 

[Infoman]

Suppose I'll save this space for the Bowers is actually a generational prospect and undoubtedly better than Warren told ya so dance...

Looking forward to seeing if Tyler Warren can go over 100 catches and 1,200+ scrimmage yards as a rookie

We don't disagree on Bowers... I made that pretty clear. I never said Warren will be Bowers... I said he can be equally impactful in different ways. and has a higher ceiling...

Not sure what you are arguing...

 

[SWJJ]

Trade Back for more picks

 

[TruSaint]

Trade Back for more picks

If someone like Tet Mac or Abdul Carter or Graham is there at 9 you wanna trade back?

 

[tyler735]

We don't disagree on Bowers... I made that pretty clear. I never said Warren will be Bowers... I said he can be equally impactful in different ways. and has a higher ceiling...

Not sure what you are arguing...

You keep trying to say things like "equally impactful", "higher ceiling", and "more athletic". None of which are remotely true. Warren's theoretical "advantage" and impact as a blocker is not enough to close the gap on the obvious receiving and athleticism advantages that Bowers possesses. Warren as a rookie would have to come close to Bowers offensive output (100+ catches 1,200 receiving yards) for this to even be a conversation worth having to offset any potential "blocking advantage". I highly doubt that happens. Warren is a great TE prospect, Bowers is generational.

I'll continue to reiterate, it's perfectly fine that Warren isn't quite on Bowers level. He still has the potential to be a top tier TE in the NFL and would be a very nice weapon to add to the offense. Saying things like "as good as Bowers" and the like just sets people up for disappointment when he doesn't live up to that caliber of player. I'll gladly take Tetairoa McMillan at pick #9 knowing he won't be Ja'Marr Chase/Justin Jefferson. Same applies for Bowers vs Warren.

 

[SWJJ]

If someone like Tet Mac or Abdul Carter or Graham is there at 9 you wanna trade back?

Depends. If we can absolutely rob someone blind and trade back, I'd rob them blind.

We have SO MANY holes.

 

[MikeyF]

If someone like Tet Mac or Abdul Carter or Graham is there at 9 you wanna trade back?

Any of those 3 players should immediately make that unit better...
My answer is no!

 

[Infoman]

You keep trying to say things like "equally impactful", "higher ceiling", and "more athletic". None of which are remotely true. Warren's theoretical "advantage" and impact as a blocker is not enough to close the gap on the obvious receiving and athleticism advantages that Bowers possesses. Warren as a rookie would have to come close to Bowers offensive output (100+ catches 1,200 receiving yards) for this to even be a conversation worth having to offset any potential "blocking advantage". I highly doubt that happens. Warren is a great TE prospect, Bowers is generational.

I'll continue to reiterate, it's perfectly fine that Warren isn't quite on Bowers level. He still has the potential to be a top tier TE in the NFL and would be a very nice weapon to add to the offense. Saying things like "as good as Bowers" and the like just sets people up for disappointment when he doesn't live up to that caliber of player. I'll gladly take Tetairoa McMillan at pick #9 knowing he won't be Ja'Marr Chase/Justin Jefferson. Same applies for Bowers vs Warren.

Ok - So you are hung up on semantics, and are unable to accept a difference of opinion on a player.... I'm with you now... I get that.... I too often present my opinions and views as matter of fact... Of course... I am usually way more right than wrong... which is why I reserved a spot in this thread for my Told Ya So dance as it regards Warren. (one of my favorite things to do here over the last 20 years - So I am quite good at it)

We agree on Bowers... and Tmac... You are wrong on Warren... and He doesn't have to be the the best TE in football in his rookie year (as Bowers was) or have insane stats for me to be right about his short/long term success and impact...

Oh... and the word "generational" is way overused... Yet, I think Bowers is the next Kelce... I see Warren having the high probability of being a Kelce/Kittle hybrid - with a sprinkle of Taysom Hill...

The potential impact of such a player... can be on par with what Bowers brought in his rookie season. (Given proper usage and scheme)

To "poo poo" on this notion... Is an interesting strategy - Let's see how that plays out Cotton.

 

[tyler735]

Ok - So you are hung up on semantics, and are unable to accept a difference of opinion on a player.... I'm with you now... I get that.... I too often present my opinions and views as matter of fact... Of course... I am usually way more right than wrong... which is why I reserved a spot in this thread for my Told Ya So dance as it regards Warren. (one of my favorite things to do here over the last 20 years - So I am quite good at it)

I also tend to be right more than I am wrong on these sorts of things. The odds are heavily in my favor based off what we’ve seen so far from Bowers. Both as a prospect and through his rookie year.

We agree on Bowers... and Tmac... You are wrong on Warren...

Nope

and He doesn't have to be the the best TE in football in his rookie year (as Bowers was) or have insane stats for me to be right about his short/long term success and impact...

He doesn’t “have to” as a rookie to have as good of a career, but it speaks volumes that Bowers shattered rookie records and was a 1st team All Pro as a rookie. Doubt Warren ever reaches that level.

Oh... and the word "generational" is way overused... Yet, I think Bowers is the next Kelce... I see Warren having the high probability of being a Kelce/Kittle hybrid - with a sprinkle of Taysom Hill...

Generational is often overused. It was not overused when it came to Bowers.

The potential impact of such a player... can be on par with what Bowers brought in his rookie season. (Given proper usage and scheme)

To "poo poo" on this notion... Is an interesting strategy - Let's see how that plays out Cotton.

I’m not too worried about my comments coming back to bite me honestly. I’ll make sure to remind you in the future though lol.

 

[jesusfish]

He's shooting up draft boards right now, up to 12 on Kiper's, not saying Kiper is the end all be all. And that was before the bowl game where he looked fantastic. But sure if we can trade down, grab an extra 2nd and get Warren, count me in.

I'm not convinced Loveland isn't the better prospect. I need to do more research.

 

[tyler735]

I'm not convinced Loveland isn't the better prospect. I need to do more research.

Feels like this TE class is flying under the radar a bit, but is a really good TE class. There isn't a Brock Bowers type talent at the top, but Tyler Warren is very good. Loveland looks to have a ton of potential. Harold Fannin might just be the best receiving threat of the bunch. Guys like Mason Taylor and Gunnar Helm also look like they could develop into solid TE's.

 

[St. Widge]

Ok - So you are hung up on semantics, and are unable to accept a difference of opinion on a player.... I'm with you now... I get that.... I too often present my opinions and views as matter of fact... Of course... I am usually way more right than wrong... which is why I reserved a spot in this thread for my Told Ya So dance as it regards Warren. (one of my favorite things to do here over the last 20 years - So I am quite good at it)

We agree on Bowers... and Tmac... You are wrong on Warren... and He doesn't have to be the the best TE in football in his rookie year (as Bowers was) or have insane stats for me to be right about his short/long term success and impact...

Oh... and the word "generational" is way overused... Yet, I think Bowers is the next Kelce... I see Warren having the high probability of being a Kelce/Kittle hybrid - with a sprinkle of Taysom Hill...

The potential impact of such a player... can be on par with what Bowers brought in his rookie season. (Given proper usage and scheme)

To "poo poo" on this notion... Is an interesting strategy - Let's see how that plays out Cotton.

I'm just glad someone else has taken over arguing with you. It's exhausting. But, I'm sure you feel the same way about arguing with me.

 

[JackDiesel]

Lol I still can't believe we drafted Sullivan instead of a player like Terrell Suggs, Troy Polamalu, or heck even Marcus Trufant

Always how it goes when you draft for need. In 2022 Jermaine Johnson and Trent McDuffie were ranked ahead of Penning but we drafted for need and those guys have been Pro Bowlers and All Pros.

In 2023 we reached for Foskey so we could get a DE and he failed to record a defensive snap in the last meaningless game of the season. Brian Branch was considered a first round talent went 5 picks later and just made his first pro bowl. Not a single ranking had Foskey ahead of Branch.

We've been drafting more and more for immediate needs because we haven't been able to fill them in FA and it's been slowly killing this team.

 

[Infoman]

I'm just glad someone else has taken over arguing with you. It's exhausting. But, I'm sure you feel the same way about arguing with me.

Who's arguing...? It's been a delightful conversation.... no one could ever take your place... and don't let anyone else who's totally wrong tell you otherwise!