You want to re-sign Jameis? OK here’s your first round pick. (60 Viewers)

[Walter White]

The name of the game NOW is skill players. The more you have the better your chances are to win.

 

[No2DC]

Can't go wrong with picking in the trenches.

Grab a tackle, spend a 2nd on a speedy WR and sign OBJ or Landry as insurance, and your WR room is just as talented.

Peat and Ruiz say hello. This idea that picking a WR high is risk is an exaggeration based on one guy that developed slow (Meach) and we've hit on the other WRs taken high (Cooks & MT).

 

[pierce2poydras]

The name of the game NOW is skill players. The more you have the better your chances are to win.

I agree with this and I’ve always been a pro-trench top pick guy. But if nothing else, the bengals showed that you can excel with great skill positions and QB play, and a not-so-great line. I’m not saying neglect the OL, but even if we lose Armstead and sign a decent LT in FA, we’re still fairly solid there.

We’ve just been so poor at WR for so long, and I don’t really trust us to get one of the top WR2 options in FA.

 

[soggymoss]

Peat and Ruiz say hello. This idea that picking a WR high is risk is an exaggeration based on one guy that developed slow (Meach) and we've hit on the other WRs taken high (Cooks & MT).

I never stated it's a high risk, simply said you can never go wrong picking in the trenches. You never have to many lineman whether it be offensive or defensive.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

I agree with this and I’ve always been a pro-trench top pick guy. But if nothing else, the bengals showed that you can excel with great skill positions and QB play, and a not-so-great line. I’m not saying neglect the OL, but even if we lose Armstead and sign a decent LT in FA, we’re still fairly solid there.

We’ve just been so poor at WR for so long, and I don’t really trust us to get one of the top WR2 options in FA.

agree.

 

[saintmike23]

I like the idea of a commanding LT….just hope that if we draft one they don’t end up getting moved to G because of their limitations….such as Peat and Dumbrowski.

If we can pick up a decent WR2 in FA it would make the choice a bit easier. What’s depth like for tackles in this draft? Is there a starter calibre player likely to be on the board in rd2

Yeah Tackle is also loaded. But Raimann is a Day 1 starter and those don’t often get to pick 18.

 

[No2DC]

I never stated it's a high risk, simply said you can never go wrong picking in the trenches. You never have to many lineman whether it be offensive or defensive.

We've done that consistently, that's my point that its time to focus on an equally important group.

 

[Cougar 2]

I like him. Seems like a really good player, n looked solid in his vids.

But not at 18.

He lacks one significant measurable dat IMO, completely takes him outta the 1st rd: Arm length. His arms are only 32 7/8 in. Its not an “absolute” deal breaker, but it IS something that will sour on most NFL scouts n teams. They’re looking for at least 34 inch arms from an OT.

Example: His hip injury aside, one of the so called “negs “on Ram coming outta college was his arm length, cause it was a quarter inch short of dat 34 in “threshold” at 33 3/4 inches! N never mind the FACT that he had nearly 11 INCH (10 7/8) hands ! Think I’m lyin? Check it out:

Weaknesses

• Has linear frame with narrow shoulders and short arms for the position

From NFL. com

Crazy huh!

That said, I still think Raimanns an intriguing prospect, n depending how things go, n if he’s is there, I’d take him esp with the second pick in da 3rd rd.

We’ll see

 

[Cougar 2]

You need 2 tackles

True. But like I’ve been sayn for awhile, there is a difference between RTs n LTs. LTs are the more valuable/prized of the two. Most QBs are right handed, so not only do they have to protect his blindside, they often have to go up against the opponents best pass rusher. A good one ain’t ez to find!



That’s not as much the case for RTs. If TA leaves, Ram MAY likely b moved over to LT. But u can find a good RT to replace him, in the 2nd MAYBE even the 3rd of this years draft.

 

[saintmike23]

I like him. Seems like a really good player, n looked solid in his vids.

But not at 18.

He lacks one significant measurable dat IMO, completely takes him outta the 1st rd: Arm length. His arms are only 32 7/8 in. Its not an “absolute” deal breaker, but it IS something that will sour on most NFL scouts n teams. They’re looking for at least 34 inch arms from an OT.

Example: His hip injury aside, one of the so called “negs “on Ram coming outta college was his arm length, cause it was a quarter inch short of dat 34 in “threshold” at 33 3/4 inches! N never mind the FACT that he had nearly 11 INCH (10 7/8) hands ! Think I’m lyin? Check it out:

Weaknesses

• Has linear frame with narrow shoulders and short arms for the position

From NFL. com

Crazy huh!

That said, I still think Raimanns an intriguing prospect, n depending how things go, n if he’s is there, I’d take him esp with the second pick in da 3rd rd.

We’ll see

I’m bumping this thread to show that arm length is overrated. Remember that when we potentially pick Will Campbell. Also, had we drafted Raimann over long armed Penning in 2022 we wouldn’t need to talk about the tackle position.

Raimann is the 8th graded OT by PFF


Draft Will Campbell and put him at RT and our line is vastly improved.

Penning could make a great guard. But if not, we have two great tackles.

 

[St. Geezy]

I’m bumping this thread to show that arm length is overrated. Remember that when we potentially pick Will Campbell. Also, had we drafted Raimann over long armed Penning in 2022 we wouldn’t need to talk about the tackle position.

Raimann is the 8th graded OT by PFF


Draft Will Campbell and put him at RT and our line is vastly improved.

Penning could make a great guard. But if not, we have two great tackles.

Ah yes, the veiled “I told you so” bump. We’ve all done it at some point. This one is to teach us a lesson about arm length mattering.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Ah yes, the veiled “I told you so” bump. We’ve all done it at some point. This one is to teach us a lesson about arm length mattering.

I'm tired of the way things have gone though and there is a fair point to it. It's honestly gotten ridiculous. We're practically to the point of asking "But how big is his thumb?!" or "Is he flexible enough to trim his own toe nails!?".

I miss the days when the focus was on hard nose football players who were absolutely determined to dominate the opposition and also had great natural instincts. Statistically speaking, those kinds of players feel as if they have a much higher success rate then the physical freaks who are without strong instincts or physical freaks who are without determination to dominate.

 

[St. Geezy]

I'm tired of the way things have gone though and there is a fair point to it. It's honestly gotten ridiculous. We're practically to the point of asking "But how big is his thumb?!" or "Is he flexible enough to trim his own toe nails!?".

I miss the days when the focus was on hard nose football players who were absolutely determined to dominate the opposition and also had great natural instincts. Statistically speaking, those kinds of players feel as if they have a much higher success rate then the physical freaks who are without strong instincts or physical freaks who are without determination to dominate.

I think it’s about balance. The scouting process is a lot more scientific than most realize. Scientific as in the small attributes and measurements tell probability stories. You can’t just rely on the eye test.

Some players will always slip through the cracks and turn out good, and some players will always bust; the objective is to give yourself the best probability odds of that not occurring, and putting the small stuff under a microscope helps with that, MOST of the time, but not always.

 

[sfidc3]

I do think that sometimes physical attributes are overvalued but in the case of Will Campbell and the way he played last year at LSU I'm not in favor of drafting him with our 1st pick no matter where it is.....