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I have a suspicion that whatever they're ultimately able to salvage will be anticlimactic anyway. We want a page to say, "Yes, I did it and here's why I did it" and it won't. That would require him to have had some understanding into his own psyche and he didn't have any. He was worried about being polite to authority figures and sitting criss cross applesauce and not drinking out of plastic bottles and castigating litterers. He had no clue how to moderate his own selfish emotions and feelings into empathy or concern for others in a way that would prevent him from KILLING HIS OWN GIRLFRIEND. My heart wants a reason, my head tells me no way he suddenly had an epiphany before he laid down to die to put down in words something that would give anyone any kind of understanding. So good riddance.

How do you really feel about it? lol. If Brian did kill Gabby, what possible reason do you think he had? Does that change anything?

As of now, no one knows who or what killed Brian, it's still a mystery. How did he end up underwater? Is it possible he drowned himself? Maybe someone saw him and took the law in their own hands?

You figure if a person spends many hours at a park and is experienced in outdoor camping, he would of been a little more careful. To me it points to suicide or foul play. Can't really see it any other way right now.

Just trail blazing in the middle of no where shows a lack of caution, it reminds of the story of the guy who just left college and moved to Alaska, but later starved to death. Maybe Brian ran out of water or food, got weak, fell down, and animals had dinner?!?!
 

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How do you really feel about it? lol. If Brian did kill Gabby, what possible reason do you think he had? Does that change anything?

As of now, no one knows who or what killed Brian, it's still a mystery. How did he end up underwater? Is it possible he drowned himself? Maybe someone saw him and took the law in their own hands?

You figure if a person spends many hours at a park and is experienced in outdoor camping, he would of been a little more careful. To me it points to suicide or foul play. Can't really see it any other way right now.

Just trail blazing in the middle of no where shows a lack of caution, it reminds of the story of the guy who just left college and moved to Alaska, but later starved to death. Maybe Brian ran out of water or food, got weak, fell down, and animals had dinner?!?!
…so you can see it another way
 

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Possibly, but just sort of laying ideas out, and when your brainstorming, sometimes things are open to interpretation, or maybe not a lock tight understanding.

How do you see it?
The only question I’m really concerned with is how much/little did his parents know - I really don’t care how he died (unless his parents did it — like some Of Mice and Men sorta deal)
 
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The only question I’m really concerned with is how much/little did his parents know - I really don’t care how he died (unless his parents did it — like some Of Mice and Men sorta deal)

You will have to ask their lawyer, doubt that information will ever be really known.

It's sorta like how Lee Harvey Oswald was killed by Jack Ruby, a lot of questions to be answered, but no one really seemed to be questioning police how that happened....How do you have someone in custody in a police station and he is shot dead? Anyways....

Maybe the specialist can figure out how Brian died.
 

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How do you really feel about it? lol. If Brian did kill Gabby, what possible reason do you think he had? Does that change anything?

As of now, no one knows who or what killed Brian, it's still a mystery. How did he end up underwater? Is it possible he drowned himself? Maybe someone saw him and took the law in their own hands?

You figure if a person spends many hours at a park and is experienced in outdoor camping, he would of been a little more careful. To me it points to suicide or foul play. Can't really see it any other way right now.

Just trail blazing in the middle of no where shows a lack of caution, it reminds of the story of the guy who just left college and moved to Alaska, but later starved to death. Maybe Brian ran out of water or food, got weak, fell down, and animals had dinner?!?!
I knew I didn't come on strong enough with my opinion. lol

I don't think he HAD a "reason". As I said, he didn't have control of his emotions.

I think where he killed himself, however he did it, he didn't think about it becoming underwater in a few days or weeks. OR maybe somebody did kill him. I would have wanted to.

I think he fancied himself being an outdoorsman because of his concern for the environment (which isn't worth much if you're not equally concerned about human life), I don't think he was one. Or at least not a "hiding out and roughing it" outdoorsman. Basically, this dude failed at being a human.
 

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The only question I’m really concerned with is how much/little did his parents know - I really don’t care how he died (unless his parents did it — like some Of Mice and Men sorta deal)
I'm curious how he actually accomplished something like that, but don't really care either in the big scheme. I think the parents are an oddity. They "cared" enough to lawyer him up but then seemingly do nothing to save his life like prevent him from going on the run. In my view, his death is the only conceivable outcome. Or did they really think he was an Eric Rudolph?
 
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I knew I didn't come on strong enough with my opinion. lol

I don't think he HAD a "reason". As I said, he didn't have control of his emotions.

I think where he killed himself, however he did it, he didn't think about it becoming underwater in a few days or weeks. OR maybe somebody did kill him. I would have wanted to.

I think he fancied himself being an outdoorsman because of his concern for the environment (which isn't worth much if you're not equally concerned about human life), I don't think he was one. Or at least not a "hiding out and roughing it" outdoorsman. Basically, this dude failed at being a human.

Do you own any pitchforks or torches? lol

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So, if I understand you correctly, you think Brian had an extreme handicap?!?! Serious mental issues, so was basically an adult child, or possibly an adult infant? How did he manage to graduate high school (I presume), and had enough emotionally capacity to bring in Gabby, and convince the police he was not a threat? There is an extreme gap between empathy and intelligence?
 

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Do you own any pitchforks or torches? lol

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So, if I understand you correctly, you think Brian had an extreme handicap?!?! Serious mental issues, so was basically an adult child, or possibly an adult infant? How did he manage to graduate high school (I presume), and had enough emotionally capacity to bring in Gabby, and convince the police he was not a threat? There is an extreme gap between empathy and intelligence?
No. You have me confused with the "protestors" outside the Laundrie home. That's not my MO.

You pose interesting hypotheses but lots of people manage to make it through educational curriculums with no emotional maturity. I don't know if I think he was intellectually gifted but nor do I think he was intellectually stupid so I'm sticking with man-child, arrested development. I think they bonded over their granola-eating, yoga-doing, litter-hating environmentalist personas and she thought she had found in Brian a kindred spirit and ultimately discovered he was only masquerading as a human being.
 
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No. You have me confused with the "protestors" outside the Laundrie home. That's not my MO.

You pose interesting hypotheses but lots of people manage to make it through educational curriculums with no emotional maturity. I don't know if I think he was intellectually gifted but nor do I think he was intellectually stupid so I'm sticking with man-child, arrested development. I think they bonded over their granola-eating, yoga-doing, litter-hating environmentalist personas and she thought she had found in Brian a kindred spirit and ultimately discovered he was only masquerading as a human being.

O.k. I get it. You will never change your mind about Brian, understood. I'm not emotionally involved in the story, so I'm just chatting.

I will put this idea with you, since I think it's possible. Let's just say, hypothetically that Brian was a little immature with some minor mental disorders, but otherwise about average in most other ways. He really loves Gabby and has some crazy emotions for her, but she keeps hitting him, and nagging non-stop for one to many days?!?! (More theories) Brian's emotion finally gets the best of him, and screams, SHUT THE F*** UP, grabs her by the throat, and keeps yelling stop acting CRAZY YOU STUPID F----- B-----! By the time he comes back to his senses, Gabby isn't breathing, and he panics. The rest is history.

Let's say, this is what happens for discussion purposes, does this change anything?
 

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O.k. I get it. You will never change your mind about Brian, understood. I'm not emotionally involved in the story, so I'm just chatting.

I will put this idea with you, since I think it's possible. Let's just say, hypothetically that Brian was a little immature with some minor mental disorders, but otherwise about average in most other ways. He really loves Gabby and has some crazy emotions for her, but she keeps hitting him, and nagging non-stop for one to many days?!?! (More theories) Brian's emotion finally gets the best of him, and screams, SHUT THE F*** UP, grabs her by the throat, and keeps yelling stop acting CRAZY YOU STUPID F----- B-----! By the time he comes back to his senses, Gabby isn't breathing, and he panics. The rest is history.

Let's say, this is what happens for discussion purposes, does this change anything?
You’re describing a man child
 

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O.k. I get it. You will never change your mind about Brian, understood. I'm not emotionally involved in the story, so I'm just chatting.

I will put this idea with you, since I think it's possible. Let's just say, hypothetically that Brian was a little immature with some minor mental disorders, but otherwise about average in most other ways. He really loves Gabby and has some crazy emotions for her, but she keeps hitting him, and nagging non-stop for one to many days?!?! (More theories) Brian's emotion finally gets the best of him, and screams, SHUT THE F*** UP, grabs her by the throat, and keeps yelling stop acting CRAZY YOU STUPID F----- B-----! By the time he comes back to his senses, Gabby isn't breathing, and he panics. The rest is history.

Let's say, this is what happens for discussion purposes, does this change anything?
I'm not emotionally invested either (which is why I would never have camped out on the street in front of the house) other than caring about all young women's vulnerabilities. I know the outcome of Gabby's fate and who her belongings ended up with, not much there to allow me to change my mind about Brian.

Okay, you want me to turn to Gabby. Well, likewise, I don't think Gabby was emotionally mature either. Not in an arrested development way but in a non-worldly, limited life experience kind of way. I don't think her acting out in a physical way towards him was violent, I think it was her only known method of "conflict resolution" as a child might do. His comprehension of that meant she was "crazy" or "OCD". Your scenario is exactly what I envision having happened. And it doesn't change anything.
 
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I'm not emotionally invested either (which is why I would never have camped out on the street in front of the house) other than caring about all young women's vulnerabilities. I know the outcome of Gabby's fate and who her belongings ended up with, not much there to allow me to change my mind about Brian.

Okay, you want me to turn to Gabby. Well, likewise, I don't think Gabby was emotionally mature either. Not in an arrested development way but in a non-worldly, limited life experience kind of way. I don't think her acting out in a physical way towards him was violent, I think it was her only known method of "conflict resolution" as a child might do. His comprehension of that meant she was "crazy" or "OCD". Your scenario is exactly what I envision having happened. And it doesn't change anything.

O.k., I think I understand now. You are basically saying, these two children were playing house, there was a gas leak, and they both died. Right if they are both children mentally, how else would you see it?
 

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O.k., I think I understand now. You are basically saying, these two children were playing house, there was a gas leak, and they both died. Right if they are both children mentally, how else would you see it?
Basically. Being careful to say that does not mean I am victim blaming Gabby.
 

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