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[St. Geezy]

I don't think men should be trying to hook up with women they don't know in normal situations.

Sure, maybe 1 out of 10 are down for it, but the other 9 women shouldn't have to put up with being hit on by random strangers, when they aren't in a situation that suggests they are out looking to be hit on. Especially if they are at work and required to be nice to customers.

Out at the club, fine. Almost anywhere else, you shouldn't be hitting on women at all.

I should also point out that you’re wildly mistaken on your 1 out of 10 estimation. Unless you’re just an ugly guy or don’t know how to read signals, shooting shots out of your league, etc., you should be doing much better than 1 out of 10.

You’d be surprised. These girls know what they want and many times are just waiting on the man to make a move. This isn’t a green light to assault of course, but stepping up to a girl to try to gauge interest, express that you’re attracted to them, etc. is a practice of our species essentially since the dawn of man.

I’m very curious about your background, your social experience, are you married and if so how did you meet your spouse, etc.

Your conversation points are just very odd to me.

 

[itztime]

Dude sends me a drink, I'm drinking it as long as I've seen the bartender make it without GHB.

I always ask her did you drink it? Her reply everytime is hell no, he can take that sheet back.

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

If trying to meet folks as happenstance in public is taboo...should we try to find it at work?

I don't go out much, the grocery store, restaurants and work are my 3 go tos

 

[Madmarsha]

I should also point out that you’re wildly mistaken on your 1 out of 10 estimation. Unless you’re just an ugly guy or don’t know how to read signals, shooting shots out of your league, etc., you should be doing much better than 1 out of 10.

You’d be surprised. These girls know what they want and many times are just waiting on the man to make a move.

I’m very curious about your background, your social experience, are you married and if so how did you meet your spouse, etc.

Your conversation points are just very odd to me.

But he also wrote: ".... but the other 9 women shouldn't have to put up with being hit on by random strangers, when they aren't in a situation that suggests they are out looking to be hit on." This is what I was saying, most men aren't really taking the thought into account that a woman alone is inherently more vulnerable even if she doesn't LOOK vulnerable or heck even if she herself is being cavalier about it. A situation can turn on a dime. I've seen the ID Channel!

 

[St. Geezy]

But he also wrote: ".... but the other 9 women shouldn't have to put up with being hit on by random strangers, when they aren't in a situation that suggests they are out looking to be hit on." This is what I was saying, most men aren't really taking the thought into account that a woman alone is inherently more vulnerable even if she doesn't LOOK vulnerable or heck even if she herself is being cavalier about it. A situation can turn on a dime. I've seen the ID Channel!

Yeah I just don’t agree with that. You may not ever see that person again.

Obviously my point of view involves keeping it classy and not being a creep, but if I am single and I see a girl working that I like, and I have seen some hint of a signal (we all know that eye thing we do to acknowledge mutual attraction with one another, even sometimes unintentionally), I’m going for it if I’m in the mood to and don’t see a ring.

 

[MSUSousaphone]

We do need to put maximum effort into making the world a better place for all people and, specifically in this conversation, women to feel comfortable and safe living how they want to live.

That being said, when broken down, the "you shouldn't approach someone" and "I would have felt uncomfortable in that situation" takes are fear and anxiety based. Laws and cultural norms that are based off of fear and anxiety never end well. Triggers are to be worked on, not to be used to govern others.

 

[meily]

Not if you are talking to them because you hope they will have sex with you.

 

[meily]

It was probably always offensive to most of the women they interacted with, the women just didn't feel comfortable expressing that.

Women should be able to go to work or the grocery store without having to rebuff men's advances.

Just because it has worked for guys in the past, doesn't mean it was ever appropriate, and didn't at least annoy many of the women on the receiving end.

You do realize women hit on men all the time, right?...…..or maybe you don't.

 

[Madmarsha]

Yeah I just don’t agree with that. You may not ever see that person again.

Obviously my point of view involves keeping it classy and not being a creep, but if I am single and I see a girl working that I like, and I have seen some hint of a signal (we all know that eye thing we do to acknowledge mutual attraction with one another), I’m going for it if I’m in the mood to and don’t see a ring.

Yeah, I'm not pushing back on what you are saying. Only that I want men to remember generally women are more vulnerable and we may have that more on the forefront in our minds. But I've also been known to be fairly blunt to a man who I could tell maybe had more on his mind than what I did if we found ourselves conversing at a bar by saying something like, I'm enjoying talking to you but just so you know, it's not happening.

 

[St. Geezy]

Not if you are talking to them because you hope they will have sex with you.

Literally every pursuit, especially if it is between people within prime fertile ages and slightly beyond, involves someone eventually wanting to have sex with the other. On a scientific level, this is how we are programmed. It is how our species survives.

Almost every interaction or thing we do as an adult human being involves asking ourselves two questions - 1. Can I eat this/Will this thing help me eat, or 2. Can I have sex with this/Will this thing help me have sex?

Virtually every person you meet of the opposite sex, you’re immediately ascertaining whether or not you find them sexually attractive.

These are not opinions, these are scientific facts with how we are programmed at a pure primal level.

 

[Madmarsha]

Literally every pursuit, especially if it is between people within prime fertile ages and slightly beyond, involves someone eventually wanting to have sex with the other. On a scientific level, this is how we are programmed. It is how our species survives.

Almost every interaction or thing we do as an adult human being involves asking ourselves two questions - 1. Can I eat this/Will this thing help me eat, or 2. Can I have sex with this/Will this thing help me have sex?

Virtually every person you meet of the opposite sex, you’re immediately ascertaining whether or not you find them sexually attractive.

These are not opinions, these are scientific facts with how we are programmed.

Look, just so you know, it's not happening.

 

[St. Geezy]

Look, just so you know, it's not happening.

Aw don’t do me like that, baby!

 

[Stalwart385]

I imagine this about him going up to her and telling her what she should be doing in his bedroom. Not hitting on her, not trying to woo her, just being straight up vulgar.

 

[St. Geezy]

I imagine this about him going up to her and telling her what she should be doing in his bedroom. Not hitting on her, not trying to woo her, just being straight up vulgar.

Then he is a creep, she walks away, he walks away, and the evening continues for both parties.