Ross Jackson explores a Carr trade to Giants [ESPN NFL Nation Giants reporter Jordan Raanan says Derek Carr could be a trade option for Giants] (1 Viewer)

[St. Widge]

I can’t see anything happening until we get a new coach and seeing how he feels about the situation

That's true. But maybe the Saints are putting out feelers to see if there is a market in case the new HC wants to move on from Carr?

 

[Elvis]

I think our best hope is to find a trade partner that Carr wants to go to so that he will re-work his deal in a way that allows us to trade him without as bad of a dead cap hit and where he gets a new contract from his new team that pays him more money long term. But, I kind of doubt that team is out there. But let's hope the Giants do it.

Then again, Carr has shown that he will force a team to cut him or pay him so he may not be willing to go anywhere. Not that I blame him. We didn't have to offer him the contract that we did.

There simply isn't a team or situation that can save us from the $40m in prorated bonuses. If he leaves, it goes to the cap as dead money. The best we can do in 2025 is trade him, take the $40m in dead money and thank our lucky stars we got out from under him and got $11 million in cap relief for the year. But that IS this best we can do. That or restructure him and kick that can one more time. That's really it.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

I think our best hope is to find a trade partner that Carr wants to go to so that he will re-work his deal in a way that allows us to trade him without as bad of a dead cap hit and where he gets a new contract from his new team that pays him more money long term. But, I kind of doubt that team is out there. But let's hope the Giants do it.

Then again, Carr has shown that he will force a team to cut him or pay him so he may not be willing to go anywhere. Not that I blame him. We didn't have to offer him the contract that we did.

There simply isn't a team or situation that can save us from the $40m in prorated bonuses. If he leaves, it goes to the cap as dead money. The best we can do in 2025 is trade him, take the $40m in dead money and thank our lucky stars we got out from under him and got $11 million in cap relief for the year. But that IS this best we can do. That or restructure him and kick that can one more time. That's really it.

In other sports teams give picks to offload bad contracts, is that not able to be done in the NFL? I’ve tried to look it up, tyia for any clarification….although I’m assuming it can’t be done in the NFL….

 

[Covington Saint]

Who are we taking the field with if we give away Carr? I’d start to wonder if we get on a Dart train.

 

[Elvis]

In other sports teams give picks to offload bad contracts, is that not able to be done in the NFL? I’ve tried to look it up, tyia for any clarification….although I’m assuming it can’t be done in the NFL….

Nah, the cap system in the NFL is much more rigid. In the NBA, they do that with high salaried players to teams with enough space to absorb it, but in the NFL prorated bonuses are non transferable. It's money that has already been paid in cash to the players.

 

[Vision]

I’d do it for a 4th. lol

Pack Haener in his carry on as a bonus.

 

[St. Geezy]

Not sure if it’s been brought up, but I wonder if something like this happened, if it would be something like the Osweiler deal, where we send over an asset in exchange for them taking on more of the cash burden.

 

[St. Geezy]

In other sports teams give picks to offload bad contracts, is that not able to be done in the NFL? I’ve tried to look it up, tyia for any clarification….although I’m assuming it can’t be done in the NFL….

Yes…Brock Osweiler is an example.

 

[ATLien]

I'd do it for a 5th. We got a 5th we can give 'em?

 

[Elvis]

Not sure if it’s been brought up, but I wonder if something like this happened, if it would be something like the Osweiler deal, where we send over an asset in exchange for them taking on more of the cash burden.

But that was guaranteed salary, not prorated bonus. You can't transfer money that has already been paid. Which is why the kicking the can cap strategy can cripple a team.

 

[AARPSaint]

If Carr is traded, then the starting QB would be……….?

 

[St. Geezy]

But that was guaranteed salary, not prorated bonus. You can't transfer money that has already been paid. Which is why the kicking the can cap strategy can cripple a team.

Agree on the guaranteed salary part but disagree that this has anything whatsoever to do with the kicking the can strategy.

If you sign a guy to a large contract you end up regretting, you’re going to get hit extremely hard regardless, just like Russell Wilson in Denver.

No one is signing someone to a large long term deal and getting out of it cleanly after two seasons.

Denver had a $53m hit last year and $32m hit this year on Wilson. If you get burned on a big ticket player, you pay dearly no matter what accounting system you use.

 

[Elvis]

Agree on the guaranteed salary part but disagree that this has anything whatsoever to do with the kicking the can strategy.

If you sign a guy to a large contract you end up regretting, you’re going to get hit extremely hard regardless, just like Russell Wilson in Denver.

No one is signing someone to a large long term deal and getting out of it cleanly after two seasons.

Denver had a $53m hit last year and $32m hit this year on Wilson. If you get burned on a big ticket player, you pay dearly no matter what accounting system you use.

The kicking the can part of his cap hit is the only problem with his contract. Otherwise we could cut him and only take on $10m in dead money. It was the past restructures that we can't get out of.

 

[Saint Droopy]

Man who gave Carr a no-trade clause