State & Saints enter preliminary negotiations for long-term deal -- new stadium likely off the table (1 Viewer)

[BigHossTheBoss]

We BARELY sell the 137 plus nobody is going to be able to mess with Dallas' stadium in the next 15 years...that sucker is over a billion dollars now.

 

[jerryrip]

I've been to dozens of games in dozens of cities. The dome is downtown and less than a mile from the center of the party universe.

As for being right next to the highway, that's a good thing and if you can't afford the $20 for parking - stay home.

In the first instance, the dome is NOT less than a mile. If you'd look at a map, you'd see that. It's about a mile and a quarter as the crow flies, which means that it's at least a mile and a half, or a 25 min walk. I've done it. And you have to get through a few undesirable areas on the way. In the second case, tell all the season ticket holders like me to stay home whenever they complain about another season ticket price hike because they have to underwrite club fees and stadium improvements. I'm guessing you're either a guy with lots of disposable income or you don't have season tickets. By the way, parking is $25 now.

In any case, read the Sports Illustrated article posted by a previous poster. The dome gets a 42 out of 70 rating. Pretty bad.

 

[tarusman28]

In the first instance, the dome is NOT less than a mile. If you'd look at a map, you'd see that. It's about a mile and a quarter as the crow flies, which means that it's at least a mile and a half, or a 25 min walk. I've done it. And you have to get through a few undesirable areas on the way. In the second case, tell all the season ticket holders like me to stay home whenever they complain about another season ticket price hike because they have to underwrite club fees and stadium improvements. I'm guessing you're either a guy with lots of disposable income or you don't have season tickets. By the way, parking is $25 now.

In any case, read the Sports Illustrated article posted by a previous poster. The dome gets a 42 out of 70 rating. Pretty bad.

Actually you can avoid the undesireable areas when walking from the Dome to the quarter. Plus, it's not like the quarters is so secure. Plus the games played during the day mostly. So it's not like you are gonna walk dark and undesireable areas.

Also, if the ticket prices are so bad then don't go to the games. You have a choice. No NFL game is cheap!

 

[DaveParks1]

"undesirable neighborhoods?" um, where? you walk down poydras to the Quarter...that's about as safe as any city in the country...we have 6 million tourists down that way each year...what route are you taking, lol. "get a map"? seems like you should look again at your map. Instead of cutting through the projects, just stroll past the high rise office buildings and fancy hotels down poydras to get to the quarter...and by the way "as the crow flies" the quarter is .55 miles from the dome and about .70miles if you walk down poydras to bourbon...if you have some sort of agenda, at least use accurate facts and don't make them up...

 

[atceagle]

The Superdome is already right at the top with number of suites...

Suite numbers for NFC South

Atlanta: 203
Tampa: 195
Carolina: 159
New Orleans: 137

http://football.ballparks.com/

 

[Mutt]

I have full confidence in Ron Forman! Jindal could not have brought in a better person to get a deal done. Mr. Forman has proved over and over that he makes the impossible a REALITY!

 

[4saintspirit]

Well -- a new stadium is a nice idea -- and there are 30,000 on the season ticket waiting list -- but still -- its hard to justify the additional debt. Now if part of the deal was a new stadium and we drop the yearly bonus payments that would help -- 25 mil a year adds up over time --

 

[MLU]

Suite numbers for NFC South

Atlanta: 203
Tampa: 195
Carolina: 159
New Orleans: 137

http://football.ballparks.com/

I said NFL, not the NFC South. I remember it from an article in the Times-Pic. I believe that Arnie Fielcow was making the quote and commenting on how the Superdome had a lot of suites, but they were in serious need of updating and businesses to buy them. If I am not mistaken, as of today, the suites are sold out and newly renovated.

Going by your website, Arrowhead Stadium and Gillette Stadium have 80 suites. Giants Stadium has between 70 and 80. Heinz Stadium as 120 suites. Baltimore's stadium has 100 suites. The Raiders Stadium has 120 suites. Paul Brown Stadium has 144 suites. Qualcomm has 100 suites. Ralph Wilson Stadium has 70 suites. Lucas Oil Stadium will have 150 suites. Reliant has 187 suites. Bank of America has 158 club and luxury suites (not the same thing). Edward Jones has 125 suites. Ford Field has 140 suites. Lambeau has about 150 suites now after adding 80 a couple years ago. Lincoln Financial has 117 suites. New Soldier Field has 133 suites. Those were all of the stadiums with the number of suites listed. The Superdome is not as high as I remembered as a lot of stadiums have upgraded to current Superdome levels and a lot of those ballparks with fewer suites are much, much newer than the Superdome.

Adding another 50 suites to "keep up" with the new stadiums isn't going to provide any more revenue without people to buy them.

 

[XJRunner]

In the first instance, the dome is NOT less than a mile. If you'd look at a map, you'd see that. It's about a mile and a quarter as the crow flies, which means that it's at least a mile and a half, or a 25 min walk. I've done it. And you have to get through a few undesirable areas on the way.

Scaled off a map, the Dome isn't even 3/4 of a mile from the foot of Bourbon in a straight line.

And if you want to avoid the "undesirable areas", walking down Poydras, hangin a left on Carondelet and going down to the corner of Bourbon and Canal is just a hair under a mile.

In other words, it's damn close.

 

[jerryrip]

"undesirable neighborhoods?" um, where? you walk down poydras to the Quarter...that's about as safe as any city in the country...we have 6 million tourists down that way each year...what route are you taking, lol. "get a map"? seems like you should look again at your map. Instead of cutting through the projects, just stroll past the high rise office buildings and fancy hotels down poydras to get to the quarter...and by the way "as the crow flies" the quarter is .55 miles from the dome and about .70miles if you walk down poydras to bourbon...if you have some sort of agenda, at least use accurate facts and don't make them up...

Do you think that tourists know exactly where to walk? Most tourists will walk down Loyola as soon as they hit it. Either that or they're taking taxis, and the whole location argument is moot. Most Saints fans are not the ones walking to the quarter anyway. They're headed to their cars to go home. Who cares how conveniently the Dome is placed in reference to the FQ; locals don't go there after games! Also your map must be printed in Pakistan, because mine says it's at least 1 mile to Canal and Baronne in a straight line. Like I said, I've walked the route a few times for Superdome events, parades and such. A new stadium located next to the river near the convention center makes FAR more sense. The Dome is an antique; there are facts and figures that say as much. Too many times we put money above progress. And yes, I have an agenda: I work for a stadium-study group that just makes money promoting retractable-roof stadiums. Give me a break.

 

[MLU]

Do you think that tourists know exactly where to walk? Most tourists will walk down Loyola as soon as they hit it. Either that or they're taking taxis, and the whole location argument is moot. Most Saints fans are not the ones walking to the quarter anyway. They're headed to their cars to go home. Who cares how conveniently the Dome is placed in reference to the FQ; locals don't go there after games! Also your map must be printed in Pakistan, because mine says it's at least 1 mile to Canal and Baronne in a straight line. Like I said, I've walked the route a few times for Superdome events, parades and such. A new stadium located next to the river near the convention center makes FAR more sense. The Dome is an antique; there are facts and figures that say as much. Too many times we put money above progress. And yes, I have an agenda: I work for a stadium-study group that just makes money promoting retractable-roof stadiums. Give me a break.

I don't know about what you do when you attend Saints game, but every time I go to a Saints game and I visit the FQ after (which is pretty much every time) I see an awful lot of folks there who look like they just came from a Saints game. I also see a lot of folks there before the game. I know for a fact that many of them are locals both before and after games. Many have their own traditions (such as a pre-game Bloody Mary from Fat Harry's) that take them through the FQ before and/or after games.

I don't care what route you take, the FQ is close unless you're extremely fat or lazy (and I have been accused of both).

Now, despite what many locals think, tourists aren't stupid. They come to New Orleans knowing exactly how to get to the FQ or they know how to get information on how to get to the FQ. It's like going to New York and figuring out how to get to Staten Island. I have no clue, but I bet that I can find it if I ask someone or can find an internet connection or have a cell phone. It's a non-issue as evidenced by the numerous Superbowls held there along with Final Fours, etc.

Next to the Convention Center isn't going to happen because the locals won't let it happen. It's already been tried.