A microcosm of Winston’s career (1 Viewer)

[Brandon13]

But we will never know. Something that isn't talking about much is Alex Smith got season 1 of Tyreek Hill as WR1, Mahomes got year 2 of Hill and we see how much of a game changer he really is. I mean, what would Mahomes do with Dwayne Bowe, Jason Avant and Avery? I'm not saying that he would do what Mahomes is doing but imagine if he actually had the green light to just go with both Kelce (who was the man before Mahomes) and that 2nd full season of Hill. I think they would have made a pretty deep run. I'm not saying 50 touchdowns but when you realize that they only won 2 more games in 2018 than 2017.

Again I think that's mostly fair but I also think it sort of sells short just how much impact Mahomes as a complete package brings to their offense.

Of course we'd have to enter an alternate reality to know but I simply do not believe that Mahomes is a mostly interchangeable talent at the quarterback position and that Reid could fairly easily find this same level of success with others. Reid is a great coach and so he will find ways to be successful but with Mahomes they found their perfect storm.

 

[St4ever]

Carr shined to you with that explosive 3 points right? Smh

All you see is three points! Buy conveniently you forget the drives that were stopped by stupid penalties and dropped passes. People want to keep saying Winston brought us back from the 24-3 butt whipping we were getting when all he really did was have two good drives in over a quarter and a half! while making the game more exciting to watch it still did not get us there. Only teased us into thinking we had a chance. I don’t knock JW for his athletic skills only his lack of cerebral trustworthiness!

 

[DSnfla]

Deuce Windham had a pretty good breakdown of Jameis's play and he pointed out something a lot of people have missed. It's not that Jameis is bad at pre-snap reads; it's that he is bad at adjusting when the look changes post-snap. Another weakness is that he trusts his receivers to make the play, no matter what. That TD to Olave was insane. Probably the best TD pass a Saints QB has thrown since Drew retired. The second one was a God's Plan throw that he trusted AT to come down with.

Wanna get depressed about the defense again? Sheldon Rankins had three sacks against the Bungles.

Duece Windham , another " I took a Class Guy" so now I'm qualified to give expert (LOL) advice on youtube

 

[DSnfla]

He also threw 2 unforced interceptions. There's always good/bad with Winston. It's the story of most of his career. He needs a Payton who can get the most out of him and minimize the down sides. I'm not seeing the current coaching staff doing that.

And should have been a 3rd

 

[Brandon13]

All you see is three points! Buy conveniently you forget the drives that were stopped by stupid penalties and dropped passes. People want to keep saying Winston brought us back from the 24-3 butt whipping we were getting when all he really did was have two good drives in over a quarter and a half! while making the game more exciting to watch it still did not get us there. Only teased us into thinking we had a chance. I don’t knock JW for his athletic skills only his lack of cerebral trustworthiness!

You have to give Jameis credit for the plays he made and for doing his part in giving us an opportunity just like it's fine to assign blame for the poor decision he made in throwing that interception into triple coverage.

The offense struggling with Carr certainly was not all Carr's fault but he also wasn't "good" and his play is subject to fair criticism as well.

The horrific defensive performance we had in the first half screwed us more than anything however imo. Freaking God awful.

 

[Jesse Custer]

The horrific defensive performance we had in the first half screwed us more than anything however imo. Freaking God awful.

Feedback loop. Defense couldn't stop Hockensen and the offense couldn't sustain a drive. Hero ball was the only way to dig out. Almost pulled it off, too. Just got a little too Rex Grossman-y towards the end.

 

[SWJJ]

I think that's fair but Mahomes is the cheat code that unleashes the potential of Andy Reid's system. They were never going to reach these heights with Alex Smith.

The Chiefs were a top 5 offense in 2017 with Alex Smith. Smith had like over 4K yards passing with 26 TDs and only 5 interceptions.


His record was 50-26 as the Chief's Starter. I always felt like he was grossly underappreciated in the NFL.

He obviously was never the same player after the leg broke in 2018, and it's a miracle he even survived and still has the leg.

 

[Brandon13]

The Chiefs were a top 5 offense in 2017 with Alex Smith. Smith had like over 4K yards passing with 26 TDs and only 5 interceptions.


His record was 50-26 as the Chief's Starter. I always felt like he was grossly underappreciated in the NFL.

He obviously was never the same player after the leg broke in 2018, and it's a miracle he even survived and still has the leg.

Yeah I wasn't attempting to denigrate Alex Smith, I really liked Alex Smith and the strides he made from his early days in San Francisco were impressive.

If people do not believe that Mahomes is a special player they are within their right to feel that way but I'll just say I disagree I guess and leave it at that.

 

[SWJJ]

Yeah I wasn't attempting to denigrate Alex Smith, I really liked Alex Smith and the strides he made from his early days in San Francisco were impressive.

If people do not believe that Mahomes is a special player they are within their right to feel that way but I'll just say I disagree I guess and leave it at that.

I didn't take it that way, just every time someone talks about Alex Smith I feel obligated to talk about how great and unappreciated his 2017 season was and how he was playing the best football of his life when the leg was broken.

Mahomes is the best QB in the NFL right now, and has been top 5 since he got in the league.

Generational player doing things no one else can do.

 

[Saintamaniac]

You watched a different game than I did.

I watched a game slowly realizing that we weren't going to win the game at halftime when we had scored a whopping 3 points and had just given up a TD to go down 24-3 at half. So what about the 3 points we scored in 2 quarters of football and the 24 points given up by the defense made you believe we could/would still win?
I mean you're saying we watched a different game so you must have still thought we would win after halftime, no?

 

[sfidc3]

It's not hope... It's what I see. He's the only guy that has played QB for us in the last 3 seasons that consistently wins, makes winning plays, creates momentum, and puts fear in an opposing defense... he also forces this horrible coaching staff to play a different / complementary brand of football... what's cute is that some fans and these coaches believe that we can keep rolling the same backup level pocket passers out there in a league dominated by mobile QBs... and do anything but be mediocre.

So do you honestly think TH could play TH style ball from the QB position and last an entire season? Because if you do, you're delusional.....also his overall QB stats say something much different from what you're espousing....I think he is a guy that can come in and win a few games if needed but not a long term solution.....

Duece Windham , another " I took a Class Guy" so now I'm qualified to give expert (LOL) advice on youtube

That guys a blowhard, I have zero respect for him.....

The Chiefs were a top 5 offense in 2017 with Alex Smith. Smith had like over 4K yards passing with 26 TDs and only 5 interceptions.


His record was 50-26 as the Chief's Starter. I always felt like he was grossly underappreciated in the NFL.

He obviously was never the same player after the leg broke in 2018, and it's a miracle he even survived and still has the leg.

Totally agreed, he was a really good player and guy. When he was with WFT they sold shirts I think they said "Alex Smith is back"....both my boys got them.....he's a good guy and a vastly underrated QB (as you said).....

 

[Saintamaniac]

So do you honestly think TH could play TH style ball from the QB position and last an entire season? Because if you do, you're delusional.....also his overall QB stats say something much different from what you're espousing....I think he is a guy that can come in and win a few games if needed but not a long term solution.....

Dude is still upset that Sean Payton named Winston the starter over Hill over his strenuous objections.

 

[sfidc3]

Dude is still upset that Sean Payton named Winston the starter over Hill over his strenuous objections.

Exactly, thus my "cute" comment....

 

[Jesse Custer]

Nah, I think the towel knows as well as we do that DA has no intentions of playing Winston in anything other than the circumstances he's played in so far this season. DA's worst nightmare almost came true when Jameis almost pulled off the comeback. Hell, I think he'd avoid playing Taysom for the same reason. Anyone other than Haener outplaying Carr makes him look like a buffoon for committing nine figures to a QB who can't seem to get the offense going unless he's given a short field and is so far the worst QB on the roster in the red zone.