A microcosm of Winston’s career

[jahsoul357]

Ok , go find them, I'll bet it's lest than 5

Really...dang man...haha. It's not less than 5, at all. But let's just leave it alone because it is besides the point. Like I said, I saw Drew throw game sealing picks and had game sealing fumbles. It's a part of the game. Not once did I say that it was the norm and it isn't the norm with JW (unless you want to push a narrative). I'm just saying that we have more people getting caught up in the interceptions instead of what got us to that point in the first place.

 

[DSnfla]

Really...dang man...haha. It's not less than 5, at all. But let's just leave it alone because it is besides the point. Like I said, I saw Drew throw game sealing picks and had game sealing fumbles. It's a part of the game. Not once did I say that it was the norm and it isn't the norm with JW (unless you want to push a narrative). I'm just saying that we have more people getting caught up in the interceptions instead of what got us to that point in the first place.

But when you make a statement like that that I think is inaccurate, Of course I'm gonna say prove it or say you're just guessing because you saw it once or twice. And the issue is that it took 2 amazing catches to get us there with at least one of them being a prayer pass. Sorry you need to watch the 22 film JW passed up OPEN WRs to make 2 stupid throws that were picked, plus others

 

[jahsoul357]

But when you make a statement like that that I think is inaccurate, Of course I'm gonna say prove it or say you're just guessing because you saw it once or twice. And the issue is that it took 2 amazing catches to get us there with at least one of them being a prayer pass. Sorry you need to watch the 22 film JW passed up OPEN WRs to make 2 stupid throws that were picked, plus others

*sigh*
Off the top of my head, the NFC Championship against the Rams in OT, that Cowboys game in 2018, a 49ers game during one of those 7-9 seasons (a fumble in OT), one of those low scoring Bucs games, and a Falcons game when he threw an interception in the end zone. You said I couldn't pick 5 but I'm pretty sure of these...lol. I can verify tho...

*edit*
Yep...confirmed.
-2018 NFC Championship in OT
-2018 Week 13 vs Cowboys
-2014 Week 10 vs 49ers (Fumble in OT)
-2016 Week 14 vs Bucs
-2017 Week 14 vs Falcons

And there is more. Drew is one of the best QBs to ever play the game but he was not perfect of infallible. He has lost us games and it's fine because he won us more. I've said before that many people built this image of Drew in their head that is without a spot or wrinkle..lol. We block out all of the bad things out to just remember the good. lol

 

[Wheelo]

*sigh*
Off the top of my head, the NFC Championship against the Rams in OT, that Cowboys game in 2018, a 49ers game during one of those 7-9 seasons (a fumble in OT), one of those low scoring Bucs games, and a Falcons game when he threw an interception in the end zone. You said I couldn't pick 5 but I'm pretty sure of these...lol. I can verify tho...

*edit*
Yep...confirmed.
-2018 NFC Championship in OT
-2018 Week 13 vs Cowboys
-2014 Week 10 vs 49ers (Fumble in OT)
-2016 Week 14 vs Bucs
-2017 Week 14 vs Falcons

And there is more. Drew is one of the best QBs to ever play the game but he was not perfect of infallible. He has lost us games and it's fine because he won us more. I've said before that many people built this image of Drew in their head that is without a spot or wrinkle..lol. We block out all of the bad things out to just remember the good. lol

Probably has to do with the fact that Drew has over 50 game winning drives and you know... Jameis doesn't.

 

[JPPT1974]

Your legacy is about wins-losses not so much about stats.

 

[donato]

Winston didn't complete the comeback in 1 1/2 quarters of play, down by ::checks notes:: 24 points (TWENTY FOUR) and people use it as a reason to say he stinks. Let that sink in. A lot of stupidity on this board.

 

[TribuneUK]

Winston didn't complete the comeback in 1 1/2 quarters of play, down by ::checks notes:: 24 points (TWENTY FOUR) and people use it as a reason to say he stinks. Let that sink in. A lot of stupidity on this board.

Winston also couldn't preserve a 17-0 lead against Green Bay with 1 1/2 quarters to go, generating precisely ::checks notes:: 0 points (ZERO). Let that sink in. A lot of people forgetting to apply a uniform standard here.

Fact is, it's not all on the QBs, either of them. They are both significant factors in how the team performs when they're on the pitch, but it's them plus the OL plus the coaching, plus the rest of the team, that is not adding up to enough wins. The absolute need to pin things on one root cause is misplaced and simply feeding division and tribalism.

 

[TribuneUK]

Now let's find some positives, at least none of our current QBs appear on this list of horror:-

NFL Passes Intercepted Single Game Leaders | Pro-Football-Reference.com

1. Jim Hardy (8), 2. Ty Detmer (7), 2. Steve DeBerg (7), 2. Ken Stabler (7), 2. Tommy Wade (7),

www.pro-football-reference.com

 

[Saintamaniac]

Winston also couldn't preserve a 17-0 lead against Green Bay with 1 1/2 quarters to go, generating precisely ::checks notes:: 0 points (ZERO). Let that sink in. A lot of people forgetting to apply a uniform standard here.

Damn, I almost forgot Winston played defense. I'm glad you reminded me that he gave up 18 points in the last 12 minutes of the 4th quarter.

 

[jahsoul357]

Probably has to do with the fact that Drew has over 50 game winning drives and you know... Jameis doesn't.

This isn't even really about Jameis and Drew and game winning drives, but if that is the road you want to take, a higher percentage of Winston's win total comes from GWDs (38% to Drew's 31%). But again, that's is neither here nor there. It is the fact that QBs lose games and Drew was never immune to that. Crap, let's be real, it is more smoke for the interception in this lost than the one to the Texans, for reasons.

Winston also couldn't preserve a 17-0 lead against Green Bay with 1 1/2 quarters to go, generating precisely ::checks notes:: 0 points (ZERO). Let that sink in. A lot of people forgetting to apply a uniform standard here.

That means that you should have equal or more energy for Grupe missing the FG that would have put us in the lead, right?

 

[Jesse Custer]

2 1/2 quarters leading to 3 points by the starter and it's friggin crickets from the usual suspects.

 

[DA_MOSS]

2 1/2 quarters leading to 3 points by the starter and it's friggin crickets from the usual suspects.

Crickets?

This entire thread acknowledges that fact.

Jesus you JW Stans are something else

 

[DaveXA]

Damn, I almost forgot Winston played defense. I'm glad you reminded me that he gave up 18 points in the last 12 minutes of the 4th quarter.

And, you missed his point entirely. Smh.

And in case you're still not sure, the point is we should be consistent when applying arguments to the teams players.

 

[CowtownSaint]

2 1/2 quarters leading to 3 points by the starter and it's friggin crickets from the usual suspects.

I said my piece in about page 2 but I’ll respond to this. The Offense had about 20-22 meaningful snaps in the first half, the defence was out there double the time allowing the Vikings to control the flow of the game and posess the ball for long periods. This is where you hear that a defence needs to help out the offence just like the offence needs to help out the defence. I think the O ran about 6 plans in the first quarter.

In the second half, adjustments worked and Dobbs came back down to earth, the O had a lot more possessions and chances and that helped them big time. In fact we got back to a one score game and had the ball on possessions twice at mid field with 6 or so remaining in the 4th.

I think one, people look at a 4 quarter game and criticize the end result. And two, we could have and based on possessions in second half, should have won that game.

Any time you have those opportunities at the end of the game, and on something like a 3rd and 3 with open check downs, and throw an interception, it’s going to be criticized. And it should be.

The last int was horrible too.

Notice how I haven’t said a QB name in this post.

The defence cost us that game let’s be honest with ourselves, shouldn’t have been put in a position to pull off that big of a come back, but the interceptions at the end were unnecessary and ruined a great effort in the second half of what I felt should have been a game we found a way to win. It was there but we lacked the poise to make the biggest plays at the biggest time at the end.

No disputing that.