A microcosm of Winston’s career (2 Viewers)

[DA_MOSS]

2 1/2 quarters leading to 3 points by the starter and it's friggin crickets from the usual suspects.

Crickets?

This entire thread acknowledges that fact.

Jesus you JW Stans are something else

 

[DaveXA]

Damn, I almost forgot Winston played defense. I'm glad you reminded me that he gave up 18 points in the last 12 minutes of the 4th quarter.

And, you missed his point entirely. Smh.

And in case you're still not sure, the point is we should be consistent when applying arguments to the teams players.

 

[CowtownSaint]

2 1/2 quarters leading to 3 points by the starter and it's friggin crickets from the usual suspects.

I said my piece in about page 2 but I’ll respond to this. The Offense had about 20-22 meaningful snaps in the first half, the defence was out there double the time allowing the Vikings to control the flow of the game and posess the ball for long periods. This is where you hear that a defence needs to help out the offence just like the offence needs to help out the defence. I think the O ran about 6 plans in the first quarter.

In the second half, adjustments worked and Dobbs came back down to earth, the O had a lot more possessions and chances and that helped them big time. In fact we got back to a one score game and had the ball on possessions twice at mid field with 6 or so remaining in the 4th.

I think one, people look at a 4 quarter game and criticize the end result. And two, we could have and based on possessions in second half, should have won that game.

Any time you have those opportunities at the end of the game, and on something like a 3rd and 3 with open check downs, and throw an interception, it’s going to be criticized. And it should be.

The last int was horrible too.

Notice how I haven’t said a QB name in this post.

The defence cost us that game let’s be honest with ourselves, shouldn’t have been put in a position to pull off that big of a come back, but the interceptions at the end were unnecessary and ruined a great effort in the second half of what I felt should have been a game we found a way to win. It was there but we lacked the poise to make the biggest plays at the biggest time at the end.

No disputing that.

 

[Jesse Custer]

The defence cost us that game let’s be honest with ourselves, shouldn’t have been put in a position to pull off that big of a come back, but the interceptions at the end were unnecessary and ruined a great effort in the second half of what I felt should have been a game we found a way to win. It was there but we lacked the poise to make the biggest plays at the biggest time at the end.

No disputing that.

Oh, that post wasn't pointed towards you at all. You've been more pragmatic than ever this week. This coaching staff has to go. Jameis shouldn't even have playcalls coming in with go routes on that last drive. Not when you're within one score and Alvin's averaging 5ypc and the Vikes' defense was all set for pass defense.

 

[CowtownSaint]

Oh, that post wasn't pointed towards you at all. You've been more pragmatic than ever this week. This coaching staff has to go. Jameis shouldn't even have playcalls coming in with go routes on that last drive. Not when you're within one score and Alvin's averaging 5ypc and the Vikes' defense was all set for pass defense.

Actually the one thing you mention there I do think is really upsetting, the fact that we were ripping off runs and stopped doing it completely. Zero balance to help throw the D off.

 

[boutte]

And, you missed his point entirely. Smh.

And in case you're still not sure, the point is we should be consistent when applying arguments to the teams players.

Could, Would, Should. Never going to happen.

 

[Optimistic Ozzy]

We're old and slow. Not a good recipe for success

 

[Jesse Custer]

Actually the one thing you mention there I do think is really upsetting, the fact that we were ripping off runs and stopped doing it completely. Zero balance to help throw the D off.

You've also got a guy who's one of the greatest threats in the NFL and you have him on the sideline because you're (presumably) worried about him getting injured and having no other backups, yet you had him running routes on previous drives. Something ain't adding up with their Taysom quotient.

 

[TribuneUK]

That means that you should have equal or more energy for Grupe missing the FG that would have put us in the lead, right?

Simple fact remains, you can't give credit solely to one player for generating 16 points, but then simultaneously excuse all the blame being put on that one player for generating 0 points in the same breath.

I know football is about more than one player or coach, as should everyone else. Stop trying to make everything binary, people.

 

[boutte]

You've also got a guy who's one of the greatest threats in the NFL and you have him on the sideline because you're (presumably) worried about him getting injured and having no other backups, yet you had him running routes on previous drives. Something ain't adding up with their Taysom quotient.

They suck at arithmetic too.

 

[TribuneUK]

Damn, I almost forgot Winston played defense. I'm glad you reminded me that he gave up 18 points in the last 12 minutes of the 4th quarter.

But if you're bringing the defense into it, then you have to give them credit for not allowing points in the second part of the Vikings game. That's the thing, it's not all on the QB, positively or negatively. Stop saying 'my guy is the best because of this one thing I saw in the game last night' - it's never that simple.

 

[Brandon13]

But if you're bringing the defense into it, then you have to give them credit for not allowing points in the second part of the Vikings game. That's the thing, it's not all on the QB, positively or negatively. Stop saying 'my guy is the best because of this one thing I saw in the game last night' - it's never that simple.

..Or blame the defense for giving up all of those points while Carr was in the game vs the Vikings.

Holes to poke either way.

 

[Jesse Custer]

..Or blame the defense for giving up all of those points while Carr was in the game vs the Vikings.

Holes to poke either way.

Like I said, feedback loop that points toward the coaching staff.

 

[TribuneUK]

..Or blame the defense for giving up all of those points while Carr was in the game vs the Vikings.

Holes to poke either way.

I know, right? Almost like it's a ... team game?

 

[jahsoul357]

Oh, that post wasn't pointed towards you at all. You've been more pragmatic than ever this week. This coaching staff has to go. Jameis shouldn't even have playcalls coming in with go routes on that last drive. Not when you're within one score and Alvin's averaging 5ypc and the Vikes' defense was all set for pass defense.

Actually the one thing you mention there I do think is really upsetting, the fact that we were ripping off runs and stopped doing it completely. Zero balance to help throw the D off.

This was my thing as well, as I've said this earlier. Down by a single score, we should have went to a balanced attack. We had plenty of time to do so and all of the "heavy lifting" was done to get us back in the game. And the sad this is the Vikings were expecting pass on all of those plays. We needed more Kamara when it got to 8 points; Sneaky Pete kept calling pass plays.

Simple fact remains, you can't give credit solely to one player for generating 16 points, but then simultaneously excuse all the blame being put on that one player for generating 0 points in the same breath.

I know football is about more than one player or coach, as should everyone else. Stop trying to make everything binary, people.

Thing is, I got smoke for everybody:
-Jameis should have taken the check down on that last interception. Yeah, he slipped but we had plenty of time and we didn't need a kill shot. I'm not tripping about that first interception as Kamara totally missed that block and it was basically an arm punt because I would have thrown it out of bounds. lol
-Sneaky Pete for horrible play calling when we got to a single score. We should have been more balanced.
-Defense for letting Dobbs and Hockenson go crazy in that first half
-Carr for being lethargic for 2 1/2 quarters of football.

Yesterday was a complete team loss and truth be told, if folks are unbiased, they would look at the Packers as a total team loss. '
-Winston had a few plays that could have been better (that screen to JJ was ugh...lol). He actually played better than yall are actually giving him credit for though.
-Sneaky Pete/DA for going full on conservative mode when Carr went down.
-Defense for letting Jordan Love look like Randall Cunningham (and DD whiffing on that goal line tackle)
-One of those WRs for running the wrong route on that last drive..lol
-Grupe for missing the FG to give us the lead

Question is, where did YOUR blame go for this game and the Packers? (rhetorical but you get what I'm saying). Because if you talk about a player generating 0 points, we also have to talk about the miss kick that would have put up points when "it mattered." That's all I'm saying.