Aside from DA is anyone really happy with Kubiak's play calling? (1 Viewer)

[dtc]

Nothing we ran was slow developing in weeks 1 and 2. There's more to the story.

we ran for 200 yards yesterday. That's not why we lost.

We lost on bad calls, stupid penalties and the inability to move the ball downfield with no receivers and an injured QB.

 

[dtc]

Bub indeed was injured, he didn't suit up today. And Olave got hurt early in the game, and Shaheed is also hurt.

And McCoy is still out. Having Hill, Kamara and Carr on the field helped some. But it's not enough.

and it had nothing at all to do with coaching.

The coach didn't call the PI on Davis or the ridiculous other calls they made.

 

[dtc]

I am so glad you brought up the stats. Because we control the time possession, we have more offensive plays and yardage than the Panthers. Not to mention we were +1 in the turnover margin. But we still lose the game.

Demario's penalty was a back breaker, but with Olave or maybe our 3rd Center it wouldn't have mattered.

Perhaps with Lattimore or any one of our top 3 CBs it wouldn't have mattered.

The D got pressure. The refs gifted the other team repeatedly and we had a couple penatlies.

In all honesty, if we had one by 1 point yesterday I'd have been pretty happy with everthing about how that game went other than the injuries.

 

[sammymvpknight]

I'd say it's incomplete at this point. Hard to tell what's what with Allen running the show and all of the injuries.

I would say he needs to be evaluated after we get a real HC. But that's just me.

It’s hard to evaluate the team at this point. So much dysfunction and injuries everywhere. I’ve resigned that we could easily be 5+ years away. What key assets do we have under the age of 25? We’re stuck with Carr for a few years at least. We still have huge contracts tied to zeros (player not person) like Jordan and Ramcyzk. Davis has looked like a shell of himself. Lattimore is always hurt and when he’s not…he’s inconsistent…we owe him money. It just seems that we are in lame duck territory for awhile. It sucks…but it has to be blown up. Not a little patch…blow it to pieces. The entire staff…Loomis thanks for your service…goodbye. Scouting department…gone. Goodbye. Entire medical structure. Sorry New Orleans…your large healthcare networks are awful. It’s why good physicians don’t practice there. The Saints have to outsource it. Hire Andrews institute…do something. The Saints are decades behind in medical care and analytics…invest.

 

[Nolan]

Allen isn't calling the offense. Kubiak is. Stop top making excuses for Kubiak.

What are you talking about? When did I suggest otherwise?

I said he's young and green and he doesn't have a head coach that holds hold him accountable or that is capable of making him better.

I have no allegiance to the dude. He can leave with Allen.

 

[SystemShock]

You're judging him based on an largely incomplete roster. And by a HC who is a poor leader. KK is in a no win situation here. They haven't had anything close to a reasonably healthy offense since week 2.

Also, if players don't execute the plays called...

I am judging on watching Kamara run through the middle for no yards and the sweep to the short side for no yards plays we see over, and over, and over again. I'm judging him on putting Rattler under center rather than on shotgun. I'm judging him on not modifying the protection.

He's as guilty as Allen. Allen has an incomplete roster too.

 

[BoNcHiE]

The game plan yesterday was to run the ball effectively, dominate TOP, not turn the ball over, and win a 23-10 type game.

That was the gameplan because Carr was coming back from injury and we were down to one NFL-caliber WR (who then got hurt and left the game).

We succeeded in that, running for 200 yards, dominating TOP, not turning the ball over, and scoring 22 points. It would have been more had Allen not been an absolute coward on two 4th down plays. That should have been enough to win against Bryce Young and a Panthers team that only gained 250 yards of offense the entire game. But with Dennis Allen at the head, nothing is ever enough to win.

That's just yesterday, though. Was Kubiak's playcalling good enough prior? I have no idea because with all the injuries, it was impossible to tell what was real and what wasn't.

 

[Cajun Mike]

Do I dare say this offense is worse than Carmichaels. Either way I see no creativity with it. I mean at least try to fool defenses.

Totally don’t agree, too many injuries.

 

[Infoman]

I am judging on watching Kamara run through the middle for no yards and the sweep to the short side for no yards plays we see over, and over, and over again. I'm judging him on putting Rattler under center rather than on shotgun. I'm judging him on not modifying the protection.

He's as guilty as Allen. Allen has an incomplete roster too.

To be fair... Kamara's "run through the middle and the sweep to the short side" has been the only thing that's worked since week 2...

The thing that allowed the offense operate at a high level the first 2 weeks was (the then healthy) OLine dominating in the run game... with play action passes to the intermediate and deep areas off of that... which worked great when we had time to throw and 2 legit healthy deep threats....

From then on... the line took a big hit... opposing defenses decided to double Shaheed and be physical with Chris... then both guys got hurt too... and that was a wrap.

We could have somewhat survived on offense with a mediocre Oline, and even a backup QB for a few games...

But we never had enough weapons to start the season on offense at WR, TE, or RB for Kubiak survive one or two injures at those spots.... His offense is based on them and their ability to create problems with the opposing defenses' "eye discipline"...

We also have/had zero physical presence at TE or WR... and never addressed that either.

In short, this offense (just like the 49ers offense) was always a few skill position injures away from where we are now....

 

[dtc]

I am judging on watching Kamara run through the middle for no yards and the sweep to the short side for no yards plays we see over, and over, and over again. I'm judging him on putting Rattler under center rather than on shotgun. I'm judging him on not modifying the protection.

He's as guilty as Allen. Allen has an incomplete roster too.

We ran for 200 yards yesterday with a QB who everyone knows has less arm currently than Brees in his last year.

They knew we were running and couldn't stop it.

That sissy penalty on Penning, sissy call on 4th and 1, the no timeout and then, ultimately, DDs penalty in the red zone are the difference between a win with half a team and this.

FYI

 

[SystemShock]

The game plan yesterday was to run the ball effectively, dominate TOP, and win a 23-10 type game.

That was the gameplan because Carr was coming back from injury and we were down to one NFL-caliber WR (who then got hurt and left the game).

We succeeded in that, running for 200 yards, dominating TOP, and scoring 22 points. It would have been more had Allen no been an absolute coward on two 4th down plays. That should have been enough to win. But with Dennis Allen at the head, nothing is ever enough to win.

That's just yesterday, though. Was Kubiak's playcalling good enough prior? I have no idea because with all the injuries, it was impossible to tell what was real and what wasn't.

... or if instead of FGs in the red zone, the Saints score TDs. But hey, let's call Allen names.

And for the record, I am not defending Allen. I am putting Kubiak on the same boat as Allen. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. You don't drop from scoring 40+ points in 2 games to scoring 10 just because your center went down. You score 40+ because you play against really bad defenses.

Kubiak kind of reminds me of Bridgewater. TB won a few games, and he became a legend around this parts. Kubiak's offense dropped 2 40 burgers against really bad defenses, and now some are protecting him.

 

[BreesusSaves]

To be fair... Kamara's "run through the middle and the sweep to the short side" has been the only thing that's worked since week 2...

The thing that made the offense work the first 2 weeks was (the then healthy) OLine dominating in the run game... with play action passes to the intermediate and deep areas off of that... which worked great when we had time to throw and 2 legit healthy deep threats....

From then on... the line took a big hit... opposing defenses decided to double Shaheed and be physical with Chris... then both guys got hurt too... and that was a wrap.

We could have somewhat survived on offense with a mediocre Oline, and even a backup QB for a few games...

But we never had enough weapons to start the season on offense at WR, TE, or RB for Kubiak survive one or two injures at those spots.... His offense is based on them and their ability to create problems with the opposing defenses' "eye discipline"...

We also have/had zero physical presence at TE or WR... and never addressed that either.

In short, this offense (just like the 49ers offense) was always a few skill position injures away from where we are now....

Having to rely on the Center to call the protections and blocking schemes and then losing said Center is also a crippling blow. I fully understand not every QB is Brees, Brady, or Manning, but for the amount of cap even tier 3 QBs are now consuming, it feels insulting when a QB getting an AAV of $37.5m a year can't handle those calls.

 

[saintsmarchin]

It always seems to be a handcuff situation when it comes to something we are going to be good at.

Any eligible backfield player who changes his stance does not have to come to a complete stop prior to the snap, as long as his actions are not abrupt (false start) or forward (illegal motion)

this change hurt the potential, but it was injuries that cost us early. You can't PA at all now because no one respects the receivers.. we were already missing a 3rd WR.

Without Shaheed you can put a fork in it.. no one is scared of the pass and even if Mccoy comes back and the line can open the holes.. its not going to translate.

Nothing really wrong with his playcalling. First two weeks were so crisp and pristine.. then the wheels came off.. and got even worse as time went on.

I liken it to Spags.. he didnt have sheet for tools when he came here.. now his defenses at KC are just nasty.

Same could be said about our defense.. it's old... way to old.

Klint entered the year with great tools.. enough for him to make his offense be deveststing.. now he's down to nothing...

tbh he should be interim and we should further on the offense going into next year... because the defense has dropped off and will only further get worse.


(It's going to be a couple years before the offense becomes a finely tooled machine.. and the defense will fall apart.. build offense to be young and strong then bring in a good DC and players on defense.. and that's how we revamp).

 

[Big_L]

I'm really down on this offense. If just doesn't make sense to me and he doesn't seem to make any adjustments when necessary.
I know we have a lot of injuries but we can't seem to run an NFL offense. Any agree'ers?

I'm still willing to give Kubiak the benefit of the doubt over Allen.