Athleticism over Talent (3 Viewers)

[saintsmarchin]

I don't care the formula I just want a offense at the rate we are going the 2023 lsu Tigers baseball team will score more points than the 2023 saints.

 

[TribuneUK]

You think the Panthers make that jump up the draft to take him? Lots of QB needy teams ahead of them. Most likely would have to get to #3 at minimum to ensure they get him. I can’t see too many teams that would want to do business with them. I would love to see the Colts, Raiders, or Lions take him. That way he wouldn’t be in our division

It only takes one team to fall in love with a prospect, but I think there's little likelihood Carolina has to move up unless they think the Raiders like Richardson more than whoever remains from Young/Stroud/Levis at pick #7. Which likely means Levis.

If the Raiders do something nutty and trade up to #1 or #3, then it's whoever Indianapolis likes most out of Levis and Richardson.

An amateur's opinion only, of course.

 

[No2DC]

You brought up the MVP award. My point is that the award doesn’t automatically put one player above another.

It's a valid indicator of ability and standing. This narrative that a guy 26 years old is about fall off the cliff is delusional, just the idea that he can't throw the football.

 

[Lazarus]

Rg3 was a beast throwing the ball and was rushed back

Vick got hurt but not more than garapollo and also was hampered by not having any real receiving threats besides alge crumpler Ala Lamar Jackson up until Philly

Cam went to a Super Bowl the pinnacle of being a pro while being the best player on the team

Everything you said is true but it doesn't negate my point they had shorter careers than Brees, Farve, Manning #1, Manning #2, Brady, Rodgers, Ryan, Montana, Young, Warner, etc etc

 

[sainthood]

Don't confuse the media's regurgitated talking points of the day for what NFL GMs actually know and do. So much of the offseason is about filling dead air and hype as a distraction from what GMs are really thinking. Quarterbacks are the worse. Just look at all the projections that had multiple quarterbacks going in the first round, many in the top fifteen for players that went in the third round.

 

[bobad]

I agree with the OP that lack of athleticism is not a dealbreaker for a QB prospect. Out of the 6 or 7 most important traits in a qb, athleticism is near the bottom of the list.

 

[Taker597]

I don't know what's more outlandish... the Josh Allen strays or deciding now to put your foot down on a QB speculatively rising in the draft off of athleticism.

After seeing Trey Lance going 3rd overall... I don't really care. Still would draft Richardson over Bennett lol.

Should of saved this thread for when he actually gets drafted, tho.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

I don't know what's more outlandish... the Josh Allen strays or deciding now to put your foot down on a QB speculatively rising in the draft off of athleticism.

After seeing Trey Lance going 3rd overall... I don't really care. Still would draft Richardson over Bennett.

Should have saved this thread for when he actually gets drafted, tho.

Is there a person who would draft Bennett over Richardson? Wow if so.

 

[Taker597]

Is there a person who would draft Bennett over Richardson? Wow if so.

Agree with the poster above. People are knocking him because they don’t like him. He is as accurate as some of the best in the NFL. Dude is dropping dimes all season. He’s mobile which is a plus nowadays. He reads the defense and goes through his progressions. Great pocket awareness. Looks off defenders. What the hell more do you want? If the media said he was a 1rd pick most of these haters would be clamoring to draft him!

So let’s knock him for his height and weight. Interestingly enough it’s the same exact height and weight (190 and 6’0) as Bryce young, a consensus top 10 pick by the experts. He’s has elite talent so he should be good? What the hell is that even mean? Seen plenty of trash qb play with elite talent in college. Go look at UT, A&M, Etc. Anyone remember Burrows WRs in 2019? Oh yeah they are both All Pros now. Can’t knock a guy for his team. Last I check the oline nor wr or rb throw the ball in the perfect spot or read a defense for him.

His age is the only glaring knock. And he’s only 25. That’s 10 solid years of peak production until 35. Not bad for a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

 

[Judge_Smails]

How is Allen better than Hurts or Jackson long-term? People are comparing Richardson to Allen Right now. He was considered raw coming out, but he had the physical tools. The undertone of this discussion of athletic vs. non-athletic

Josh Allen is more reckless with his body than any of the other QBs being mentioned. If that leads to a decline in his ability to make all those huge plays off script will he still be considered a top 5 guy?

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

@Taker597 oh wow.
I’d take a flyer late on Bennett (after 5th) but do not think he has anywhere near the ceiling/potential that AR does. I could be very wrong tho.

 

[Taker597]

@Taker597 oh wow.
I’d take a flyer late on Bennett (after 5th) but do not think he has anywhere near the ceiling/potential that AR does. I could be very wrong tho.

We all could be very wrong. So, it's really weird to make a stance and thinking that only one type of QB succeed in the NFL is objectively wrong. Athleticism = Talent.


Especially, before he is even drafted. It's easy to make an assumption when he gets drafted, because we can evaluate the support system.

 

[warriors93]

The NFL and the majority of threads on this board seem to value athleticism over talent at the QB position. This is why the product has become awful and only a few good teams worth watching.

The fact Anthony Eichardson is somehow even in play for the #1 overall after the combine is a crazy. The #1 objective for a QB is to get the ball in the offensive players hands accurately and quickly. Yet the everyone is obsessed with “arm talent” and 40s for a QB. It’s crazy that the “traditional” QBs are being ripped apart for not being tall enough or athletic enough or can’t throw an 80 yr bomb off their back foot. Yet the same people are in love with the athletic QB with big arm that can’t hit the broad side of the barn or one read QBs. Those traits can’t be taught in the NFL. Consistency can be taught from repetition but not the others.

Next are we gonna want our lineman to run 40s? We have lost sight on what a qb is supposed to be good at. If Lamar Jackson and Jalen hurts are the new NFL standard then count me out. However I don’t think that will be the case, as the QBs with success (SB appearances) are good QBs first and foremost and athletic secondary.

* END RANT*

Athletic quarterbacks aren't ruining the league. Bad QB's in general, and terrible evaluation of the position is ruining the league. If you can squeeze a few good years out of a dual threat, more power to you. So many bad "traditional" guys have busted out of the league real quick. It's a tough position to find the right guy, the right fit. If you don't like athletic guys, cool, but they aren't the problem.

 

[boutte]

I just read the first page so I don't know what's been said.
The most important things a QB needs are smarts, poise, toughness, a competitive nature, skill and physical talent.
In that order.

What a lot of these guys are missing is skill. It's not their fault though. The blame goes to their coaches before they got to the NFL. Do you think Michael Vick's coaches in H.S. or college gave carp if he wasn't such a good passer? (He did have some spectacular games in the NFL though.)

Remember RG III?

 

[Crawdaddys]

Going back in time, I remember this one athletic QB that did develop his passing game in such that he did have a long successful career. Randall Cunningham. Didn't hurt having Randy Moss and Chris Carter to throw to.