Brandon Staley and Christian Parker interviewed for Defensive Coordinator, Doug Nussmeier interviewed for OC; all on Feb 16 (21 Viewers)

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DSnfla said:
This talk that Staley had a D completely loaded with talent is a bit of a stretch. Yes, he had Donald and Ramsey, but other than Floyd, their D was not loaded. They had less talent than the Eagles did this year. The Rams were 17th in team D the year before and in 1 year Staley with pretty much the same guys except for Floyd had the #1 D
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He's a better coordinator than HC and, with HC experience, would be the ideal coach to hire as a first-year HC.
 
I want Parker personally, but I 100% understand the logic behind Staley.

I don't think it really matters much at the end of the day. Assuming the rebuild under Moore does work out, it's highly unlikely the same coordinators are going to be here when we finally start seeing the signs of a winning team.
 
greatshow25 said:
you have to interview 2 minority candidates for HC, OC, DC, and now QB coach. I think Parker is more than qualified though.
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That’s what’s so dumb about the Rooney Rule tho imo. Sport is the great equalizer and I don’t think there’s any bigots out there still involved in professional football who won’t hire someone if their skin is a different color.

I also feel like it’s patronizing to poc candidates especially in a situation like ours a few years ago when we hired Allen as the HC. Everyone knew it was going to be Allen, but they are forced to interview minorities purely for show.
 
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Turfie said:
Very true. I described my comment terribly. I meant Sean cooked Staley in the press in the 2022 season. He was very vocal that Staley was doing terrible.
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Yeah watching Payton in Denver I can understand why a lot of other teams fans did not like him.
 
The Ideal thing to do is hire Staley as DC and give Parker the title of Ast HC / DB coach and give him a nice bump in $ to take the slightly upward move.
 
solarbear88 said:
I have a real worry bringing in Staley would just be a rebirth of the 2023 Chargers.
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This is my fear as well. The Chargers defense was disastrous. Everyone clings to him being a good DC because he was DC for the Rams back in 2020 and they were one of the best defenses in the NFL at that time he was coordinator. But no one is contributing it to Aaron Donald. That guy single handedly dominated every game. You or I could've been play calling and ran a good defense with Donald at DT.

Everyone says he's just like DA, a better defensive coordinator then HC. But no one can answer to me why then the defensive play calling with the Chargers was so horrendous. The guy was always a step behind opposing offenses play calling. Not just in 2023, but in 2022 and 2021. I remember my thoughts whenever the Chiefs played the Chargers and it felt like the Chiefs offense considered the Chargers defense a bye week.

The simple fact that the niners wouldn't hire him as DC, but still found a defensive coaching position for him should speak volumes. They literally said "Na, you ain't going near that playbook".
 
3ParStillDriver said:
This is my fear as well. The Chargers defense was disastrous. Everyone clings to him being a good DC because he was DC for the Rams back in 2020 and they were one of the best defenses in the NFL at that time he was coordinator. But no one is contributing it to Aaron Donald. That guy single handedly dominated every game. You or I could've been play calling and ran a good defense with Donald at DT.

Everyone says he's just like DA, a better defensive coordinator than HC. But no one can answer to me why then the defensive play calling with the Chargers was so horrendous. The guy was always a step behind opposing offenses play calling. Not just in 2023, but in 2022 and 2021. I remember my thoughts whenever the Chiefs played the Chargers and it felt like the CHiefs offense considered the Chargers defense a bye week.
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I think we’ve seen that it’s more difficult to be a HC and coach the defense at the same time, as opposed to just being the DC.

DA’s ability to coach the defense suffered when he also had HC responsibilities.

For the record, I want the young guy.
 
MudvilleStomper said:
I think we’ve seen that it’s more difficult to be a HC and coach the defense at the same time, as opposed to just being the DC.

DA’s ability to coach the defense suffered when he also had HC responsibilities.

For the record, I want the young guy.
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That's not what happened here. The Saints defense was still really good in the first year as DA as HC. Our run defense suffered big time when we lost David Onyemata in 2023 to the Falcons which just happens to be when their run defense got good. Then our run game suffered and 2024 our defense became disastrous as we couldn't stop the run nor get to the QB due to coaching scheme until Rizz took over (which then we could get pressure but still couldn't get sacks, nor stop the run). But the defensive playcalling was never bad. We never saw things like DA calling an all out blitz against a half back screen like Staley. The two simply aren't as comparable as people make it out to be.

Dennis Allen's defense began to fail because he let good talent walk in the front 7 and we stopped coaching up talent also in the front 7 (Cam Jordan spoke on this). Staley's defense failed because of bad play calling and over complicating his scheme.
 
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The Chargers offense wasn't a barn burner in 2023 with Moore, but that didn't stop the Eagles from hiring him.

Every situation and opportunity is different.

Staley may have got promoted to one level higher than his competence just like another good DC and 2x failure HC we know.

That 2x failure HC, had a job within minutes of the Bears naming Ben Johnson HC.
 
It will be a long time from now before Stanley gets his chance to be recycled as a HC.
Parker is a up and coming coach. If he is the Saints DC & he turn our D around he will be on every teams HC Short List when there is an opening...

I like Stanley because I think he is going to be like Spagnuolo with KC and Fangio with Philly.

As DSnfla said it would be great to bring Parker in as an Asst. HC but we will still lose in in a year or so as a DC to another team.
His stock is very much on the up...
 
Snakehead said:
The Chargers offense wasn't a barn burner in 2023 with Moore, but that didn't stop the Eagles from hiring him.

Every situation and opportunity is different.

Staley may have got promoted to one level higher than his competence just like another good DC and 2x failure HC we know.

That 2x failure HC, had a job within minutes of the Bears naming Ben Johnson HC.
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I'm not a fan for this comparison. Staley and DA failed for different reasons. DA failed as a head coach in general but also utterly dismantled our front 7 after his first year as head coach. DA's first year as head coach still held a good defense. Staley failed as a head coach because of his play calling and over complicating his scheme on defense as well as locker room issues (in fact, locker room issues is the only thing Staley and DA had in common).

There were a lot of complaints of Staley's play calling and scheme with the Chargers. The niners interviewed Staley and said "Na, you're not going near that playbook" and found a different position for him. Think about that. 1 of the few teams that have consistently made good defenses for decades coach, after coach, denied him as play caller and put him somewhere else.

And we're excited about this guy? Why? Because he play called a defense for 1 year with Aaron Donald who completely dismantled offensive lines? It just doesn't make any sense. There's a trend and its all been down hill for Staley. 3 years of a horrible defensive scheme and play calling followed by another year of one of the most consistent defensive teams in the NFL keeping him away from play calling.

That logic doesn't sit well for me. If he becomes DC, I expect excitement over a new defensive scheme that fails to be any good until Staley is replaced.
 
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3ParStillDriver said:
I'm not a fan for this comparison. Staley and DA failed for different reasons. DA failed as a head coach in general but also utterly dismantled our front 7 after this first year as head coach. DA's first year as head coach still held a good defense. Staley failed as a head coach because of his play calling and over complicating his scheme on defense as well as locker room issues (in fact, locker room issues is the only thing Staley and DA had in common).

There were a lot of complaints of Staley's play calling and scheme with the Chargers. The niners interviewed Staley and said "Na, you're not going near that playbook" and found a different position for him.
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i feel like if staley asked to leave the niners, they will allow it. hire the eagles guy and give staley the LB and AHC title.
 

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