Opinion Brian Flores Is the only Defensive HC that should be considered by the Saints. The Vikings are not going to keep him past this yr. (3 Viewers)

[WhoDat6278]

Flores wasn’t a disaster in Miami but he certainly wasn’t good either and would be a very uninspiring hire. I’d prefer us to go down the route of hiring an offensive coach and drafting a QB early within the next two drafts.

However, the only defensive coaches that should be on the shortlist are Aaron Glenn, Mike Vrabel and Jesse Minter.

 

[DaveXA]

Flores wasn’t a disaster in Miami but he certainly wasn’t good either and would be a very uninspiring hire. I’d prefer us to go down the route of hiring on offensive coach and drafting a QB early within the next two drafts.

However, the only defensive coaches that should be on the shortlist are Aaron Glenn, Mike Vrabel and Jesse Minter.

His handling of the Tua situation was terrible.

 

[WhoDat6278]

His handling of the Tua situation was terrible.

Agree, he shouldn’t be a candidate for any team that intends to draft a QB in the next 5 years. Wasn’t happy they didn’t draft Herbert and dealt with the situation like a child.

 

[DSnfla]

If the Special Teams coordinator stuff doesn't bother TCUDan, then it doesn't bother me at all.

Dan said that he's not TOO worried , not a ringing endorsement.
Also he's the rest of what he said

Don't get me wrong--I'm a play-calling HC and I have massive appreciation for the Andy Reids and Sean Paytons and Mike McDaniels out there. But if Rizzi has solid coordinators and a solid staff, and he leads the right way and messages, broadly emphasizes attention to detail (not being a coordinator often helps with this), he can get the job done. It's all about fostering buy-in and being a strong decision maker.

His play-calling chops aren't what's going to win games late. It's gonna be his instincts and resolve when it comes to making critical decisions--and whether or not the players are bought in enough to make him right when those times come.

He's partial to Play-Calling HCs. Rizzi is not and never has been a play-caller. You also forget the 1st line in my question where is says I like Rizzi, he's a good motivator and a passionate guy and to me maybe the best thing about if we go with him is that he'll probably keep Kubiak and the whole offensive staff. Woods?? I'm not sold on. I just think that not only do you need a great motivator in a HC you need a gut that knows his X's and O's inside out and has had experience coaching the offense or defense at a high level.
Also, Dan did not say he thought Rizzi should be the HC going forward

 

[StudioSaint]

Dan said that he's not TOO worried , not a ringing endorsement.

Seems to me you're reading in worry into a statement that clearly shows no worry.

Also he's the rest of what he said

TCUDan: Don't get me wrong--I'm a play-calling HC and I have massive appreciation for the Andy Reids and Sean Paytons and Mike McDaniels out there.​

I don't think that is Dan saying he's "partial" to playing calling head coaches. Reads to me that he is one himself and he has a lot of appreciation for the the head coaches who are also great play callers. Appreciation for doesn't automatically mean preference for.

TCUDan: But if Rizzi has solid coordinators and a solid staff, and he leads the right way and messages, broadly emphasizes attention to detail (not being a coordinator often helps with this), he can get the job done. It's all about fostering buy-in and being a strong decision maker.​

Seems to be that TCUDan is saying that a special teams coordinator can be a good head coach and head coaches who don't call plays can have an advantage when it comes to emphasizing the attention to details.

TCUDan: His play-calling chops aren't what's going to win games late. It's gonna be his instincts and resolve when it comes to making critical decisions--and whether or not the players are bought in enough to make him right when those times come.​

Seems to mean that TCUDan is saying that head coaches have other traits that are more important to winning games, than their play calling ability.

He's partial to Play-Calling HCs.

I don't get that at all from what TCUDan said. He seems to be saying that being a good playcaller or previous OC or DC are not necessary for someone to be a good head coach. You seem to be misintepreting him having appreciation with having a prefernce for.

Rizzi is not and never has been a play-caller.

To me, TCUDan clearly said he doesn't think that's very important.

Also, Dan did not say he thought Rizzi should be the HC going forward

I never said TCUDan said Rizzi should be the HC. TCUDan didn't say that Rizzi shouldn't be the head coach either, because you didn't ask him if Rizzi should be the head coach or not.

You said that you though it was important that a head coach "has had experience coaching the offense or defense at a high level."

TCUDan seems to think that a head coach coming from an NFL special teams background is not the deal breaker that it clearly is to you.

 

[Kingston]

It's not that he couldn't make Tua work, he wanted Justin Herbert.

Yep and is 100% why I would never want him as a coach. He was angry that the Dolphins didn’t pick who he wanted so he pouted by setting Tua up to fail so he would be right and whoever pushed for Tua be it the GM or Mr. Ross was proven wrong.

That pretty much shows you Flores is all about Flores. He is not about the team or working together with others he is about it’s my way or else. He doesn’t have the skins on the wall to behave that way.

This is an issue many Patriot assistant coaches have they want to be Bill but they don’t have the trophy case Bill has that allows Bill to act like Bill.

 

[dvdman]

I think he’s going to be our new head coach.

 

[sam d]

Can anyone name a head coach that was fired, then worked as a coordinator for some time before returning as a head coach that had real success the second time around? I'm not making a point here... I just can't think of any.

Dan Quinn is taking Washington to the playoffs. I think Belichek went back to dc for parcels after cleveland fired him

 

[St. Widge]

Agree, he shouldn’t be a candidate for any team that intends to draft a QB in the next 5 years. Wasn’t happy they didn’t draft Herbert and dealt with the situation like a child.

I mean, he didn't handle it well, but he was right about who they should have drafted and it's dumb for a GM to draft a QB the HC doesn't want.

 

[Big_L]

I think he’s going to be our new head coach.

I hope so.

 

[St. Geezy]

I’m done with defensive head coaches and Mickey should be too. If I am him, I am going down with another young-ish offensive hire to try to duplicate the SP era in some way.

 

[OzzieSaint]

I think Flores will most definitely get another interview with the Saints.
I think he was dealt with harshly in Miami and deserves another shot.

If he can hire a solid OC and DC and be the motivator for the team as a HC should (aka Dan Campbell) then I think he will do very well.

Just my opinion.

Other team's coordinators (aside from the ones regularly discussed) to look out for getting a look into a HC gig:
Kellen Moore- OC Eagles
Dan Pitcher- OC Bengals

 

[Steve in Colorado]

I'm iffy on him. His Minnesota defense flopped on the big stage last night. Some of that is due to them probably being on the field too much, but sheesh.

I think he warrants an interview though.

 

[RJ in Lafayette]

I don't care whether the next head coach is an offensive or defensive guy or whether he will be a de facto coordinator. Actually, absent an exceptional coach on one side of the ball like Sean Payton, my preference is that the head coach hire great coordinators and let them do their job.

I would not even interview Brian Flores. His three years in Miami were unexceptional. I find concerning the stories regarding his relationship with Tua Tagovailoa. But this is a coach who when dismissed sued the league for discrimination. I would not want anyone in my organization who, if he is one day released, might sue the organization.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

I don't care whether the next head coach is an offensive or defensive guy or whether he will be a de facto coordinator. Actually, absent an exceptional coach on one side of the ball like Sean Payton, my preference is that the head coach hire great coordinators and let them do their job.

I would not even interview Brian Flores. His three years in Miami were unexceptional. I find concerning the stories regarding his relationship with Tua Tagovailoa. But this is a coach who when dismissed sued the league for discrimination. I would not want anyone in my organization who, if he is one day released, might sue the organization.

Ryan agrees.