COVID-19 Outbreak (Update: More than 2.9M cases and 132,313 deaths in US) (5 Viewers)

[Infoman]

Respectfully, I find that highly doubtful. For starters, I don't drink beer or any other alcohol. I'll stop there.

That's fine.. it was a hypothetical situation... I wasn't specifically inviting you to drink anything with me... but if that's how you feel... we will stop there.

 

[Goatman Saint]

Given there’s still a week we should meet that 60,000 pretty easily I assume

 

[DaveXA]

I thought the U.S. was supposed to be at 200k deaths by now?

Where did you see that? And without the mitigation, there would be far more.

 

[Saint_Ward]

Yes, agreed... some travel restrictions and other common sense measures to keep social distancing, increased sanitation methods, increased robust testing, and best practice containment and tracing are still needed...

I said as much 5 pages ago.

Read all of my posts... not just the one on a specific topic I was responding to out of context please.

My point was... this needs to be handled on a case by case, sate by state, county by county, etc. basis... because there are a handful of densely populated areas in each state that have impacted greatly, and for every one of them... there are hundreds of sparsely populated areas that have not. Those places can re-open now... no reason not to as long as the common sense measures I already suggested are followed / put in place.

I think for local (car) travel, it's very hard to enforce. I think that's a legitimate concern. It's easy to say to control it, but how?

Air travel, Trains, Busses.. how do we get people on them and safely? How do we screen? Who does the screening? How are they trained?

NPR had an interview with SF's mayor (I think mayor), and she was talking about the Homeless population and the biggest issue they have is that they don't usually follow the rules. They've had a real hard time getting them to comply with guidelines and rules. Even folks who were tested, and told to stay put for a day or two until the results came back, left.

Granted, that's a population that has a high per capita mental health problems, but still. if you can't guarantee compliance, how do you enforce it or guide it?

Many folks talk a big game about doing the right thing, until they are told "no". The whole internet joke about being a "Karen", derives from people not getting the services they demand. i.e. told 'no'.

 

[Saint_Ward]

Still seeing a downward trend in FL. I haven't had time to search, are there any testing hiccups that would skew this? Or can we just say it's positive news and be happy? Please, give me happy.



Dade seems to be a bit stubborn..



Broward having a good trend.





I haven't been really showing the smaller counties, but Escambia is a bit weird. Just sort of linear, steady state.. Probably the nature of such small numbers.

 

[Saint_Ward]

For a reminder, in south florida, schools were closed as of March 16th. Most businesses were partially closed that same week, then mostly shut down the week after. Around that time the beaches here were closed. It wasn't until April 1st, that the State as a whole had a stay at home order.

using Broward and Dade as the example, about 1-2 weeks after the schools closed, cases blew up, and peaked around 2-3 weeks after that. Or about 1-2 weeks after most businesses and stuff was closed. After that it has been a gradual decline, minus some bumpiness in the data.

Daily deaths in the state, peaked about 2 weeks after south florida closed schools, or a week after south florida mostly shut down.

This is the direct effect of doing what we did.

 

[Infoman]

I think for local (car) travel, it's very hard to enforce. I think that's a legitimate concern. It's easy to say to control it, but how?

Air travel, Trains, Busses.. how do we get people on them and safely? How do we screen? Who does the screening? How are they trained?

NPR had an interview with SF's mayor (I think mayor), and she was talking about the Homeless population and the biggest issue they have is that they don't usually follow the rules. They've had a real hard time getting them to comply with guidelines and rules. Even folks who were tested, and told to stay put for a day or two until the results came back, left.

Granted, that's a population that has a high per capita mental health problems, but still. if you can't guarantee compliance, how do you enforce it or guide it?

Many folks talk a big game about doing the right thing, until they are told "no". The whole internet joke about being a "Karen", derives from people not getting the services they demand. i.e. told 'no'.

What's stopping them now? This "lockdown" we are in is just a word.... Unless Marshall law is declared and the troops are deployed... none of this is lawfully enforceable, and everything is a suggestion, guideline, or request from our leaders... I read a document that said this once.

Obviously (like I said)... things like public transportation and air travel effect those "handful of densely populated areas in each state" I was referring to... and yes... those places and those methods of travel need to be way more prudent with their choices to re-open, and what to re-open and when...

My point was there are hundreds of thousands of places around this country that do not have airports, public transit, nor have they been overwhelmed by this... with some common sense guidelines on sanitation, social distancing , and minimal essential travel requests... those places can re-open now.

We live in a Free Country... for anything to be enforceable, it first has to be lawful... that's just the way it is. At some point we have to give our people guidelines, best practices, and ask them to follow them... then trust them to do so... just like with everything else... especially in areas where this has not been an issue, and is far less likely to be.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I thought the U.S. was supposed to be at 200k deaths by now?

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I thought the U.S. was supposed to be at 200k deaths by now?

Random person: my oncologist said I had 6 months to live if I didn’t start chemo
So I started chemo 7 months ago
Where’s your prediction now poindexter?

 

[St. Widge]

We are living this exact experience with my daughter. Turns 18 in early May, has been at home since March 13, graduation cancelled, 18th birthday party cancelled, senior trip to Hangout fest cancelled, all of it.
It's rough. Not 'hopsitalized with COVID-19' rough, but for a 17 year old, it's about as bad as it gets.

Not quite the same at my house, but my daughter turns 17 today. At least she didn't miss a graduation or senior prom, but she did miss having a ring ceremony, the junior prom, and a trip to the FIRST Robotics World Championship that they qualified for just a couple weeks before the world went crazy.

But she's a tough kid and tends to roll with the punches. Honestly, I have a lot of hope for her generation. They all seem so much more mature and level headed than I was at that age. Of course, it could just be that I'm lucky that she has a good circle of friends. She's a good kid. Obviously despite, not because of my parenting.

 

[St. Widge]

I'm probably too cynical for my own good, but I just can't make myself care about the "seniors are missing out!" stories in all of this. People are literally dying in droves. The economy is in its most precarious situation in almost 100 years. Sorry you don't get to party, but if that's your biggest problem you're doing pretty well.

Obviously it's not the tragedy that death is or that the people losing jobs are going through. But it's a part of all of this. It's going to really shape that generation in many ways. It could be their Kennedy Assassination or 911. And, they are the ones that ultimately will have to lead the way in fixing this mess down the road.

 

[St. Widge]

This your first time reading the daily mail?

You know, as much as we complain about the lack of quality journalism in the U.S. we have nothing on the British Tabloids. They all use sensationalist headlines that even the National Enquirer wouldn't use in the U.S.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I'm probably too cynical for my own good, but I just can't make myself care about the "seniors are missing out!" stories in all of this. People are literally dying in droves. The economy is in its most precarious situation in almost 100 years. Sorry you don't get to party, but if that's your biggest problem you're doing pretty well.

I’ve used the analogy before but Katrina screwed with everyone
Some people had 2ft of water in their house, some 10ft
Regardless of how much water it was, it was the worst thing that happened to their house for 99% of the people
There’s really no psychological/emotional metric that tells the 2ft people ‘your tragedy is only 1/5th that of the 10ft families’
For both families it’s 100% the worst thing that happened to their house

 

[0rion]

What's stopping them now? This "lockdown" we are in is just a word.... Unless Marshall law is declared and the troops are deployed... none of this is lawfully enforceable, and everything is a suggestion, guideline, or request from our leaders... I read a document that said this once.

Obviously (like I said)... things like public transportation and air travel effect those "handful of densely populated areas in each state" I was referring to... and yes... those places and those methods of travel need to be way more prudent with their choices to re-open, and what to re-open and when...

My point was there are hundreds of thousands of places around this country that do not have airports, public transit, nor have they been overwhelmed by this... with some common sense guidelines on sanitation, social distancing , and minimal essential travel requests... those places can re-open now.

We live in a Free Country... for anything to be enforceable, it first has to be lawful... that's just the way it is. At some point we have to give our people guidelines, best practices, and ask them to follow them... then trust them to do so... just like with everything else... especially in areas where this has not been an issue, and is far less likely to be.

Society will control that as much or more than laws. If it's not socially acceptable to be out without a mask then people will wear masks as an example. How do we get to that point is the big question.

 

[Rickboy]

Where did you see that? And without the mitigation, there would be far more.

He got it from Trump and Fauci.

The White House projects 100,000 to 200,000 Covid-19 deaths

At least. And outside experts say that’s a reasonable estimate.

www.vox.com

To be fair to him, the number is fluid. Also, 60K deaths is THIS round. The CDC just said we are likely to get hit hard next fall/winter.