COVID-19 Outbreak (Update: More than 2.9M cases and 132,313 deaths in US) (3 Viewers)

[DaveXA]

I think that the chatter of us being back in this situation in the winter was enough for people just to say...screw it. And honestly, I don't blame them. We cannot isolate for a year. That's beyond nuts. I'm a medical provider, I want to see people live, but that in my opinion is just not feasible at all and quite honestly, I'm not completely certain if it's in the best interest of our country and public health in the grand scheme of things. I think more conversation needs to take place on how to open up, and how to do it quickly and responsibly as possible under the circumstances. But the "lets continue strict social distancing for another 8 months" is NOT an answer. Find an answer under a realistic set of circumstances.

To be sure, social distancing and staying at home are two different things. We can't stay at home indefinitely, that I agree with. But we can practice social distancing and utilize PPE for as long as necessary until effective treatments and vaccines are developed.

In any case, I suspect there will be a new normal for the next year or two until CV19 is either gone or reduced to a small percentage and effective treatments are widely available.

 

[buzd]

Nada.

Can't even find bleach to shock my redneck pool

New Orleans has bleach pretty readily available at this point (it sells out quickly in groceries, but Home Depot regularly has "outdoor strength"). Rouse's has huge bins of hand sanitizer, and the local distilleries have had it for a while.

Still no lysol or wipes, though.

 

[EGLSShin]

I think that the chatter of us being back in this situation in the winter was enough for people just to say...screw it. And honestly, I don't blame them. We cannot isolate for a year. That's beyond nuts. I'm a medical provider, I want to see people live, but that in my opinion is just not feasible at all and quite honestly, I'm not completely certain if it's in the best interest of our country and public health in the grand scheme of things. I think more conversation needs to take place on how to open up, and how to do it quickly and responsibly as possible under the circumstances. But the "lets continue strict social distancing for another 8 months" is NOT an answer. Find an answer under a realistic set of circumstances.

I think smart reopening there needs to be a few things that must happen and it cannot be up for debate. Masks while out in public where social distancing is hard. Limiting seating in bars, restaraunts while also being spaced out for those inside. People are going to have to get used to waiting in lines.

Now the issue is, masks are still hard to come by. If you look at current wuhan pictures, everyone has masks on. Some stores currently are only allowing a certain amount of people inside at a time. I do not expect that to change at all. The paitence level of the populace is what will intrigue me the most going forward.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I never would have guessed!

Security Researchers Say The Reopen America Campaign Is Being Astroturfed

Gun advocacy and conservative groups are responsible for astroturfing the reopen America campaign that has swept the US in recent days, according to research from cybersecurity experts.

www.forbes.com

so so many not sheeple in that crowd bleating the same thing
such individuals expressing their freedoms in the exact way they are instructed to

 

[Loose Cannon]

I think that the chatter of us being back in this situation in the winter was enough for people just to say...screw it. And honestly, I don't blame them. We cannot isolate for a year. That's beyond nuts. I'm a medical provider, I want to see people live, but that in my opinion is just not feasible at all and quite honestly, I'm not completely certain if it's in the best interest of our country and public health in the grand scheme of things. I think more conversation needs to take place on how to open up, and how to do it quickly and responsibly as possible under the circumstances. But the "lets continue strict social distancing for another 8 months" is NOT an answer. Find an answer under a realistic set of circumstances.

I mean, I think at this point the go-forward plan is pretty clear, and most politicians are on the same page, give or take. It's going to look like the Texas plan. Phased in, with "pauses" to see what happens. Slowly open nonessential retail, first for curbside only. Open parks and outdoor stuff. Then get people back to their jobs with PPE. Then see where we're at, and if we're good so far, perhaps open retail/restaurants/bars with social distancing measures. No large gatherings until there's a vaccine or very effective treatment.

I'm actually okay with what Texas is doing so far, and I think governer Hot Wheels and Dan Patrick are two of the most awful human beings around.

 

[sammymvpknight]

I mean, I think at this point the go-forward plan is pretty clear, and most politicians are on the same page, give or take. It's going to look like the Texas plan. Phased in, with "pauses" to see what happens. Slowly open nonessential retail, first for curbside only. Open parks and outdoor stuff. Then get people back to their jobs with PPE. Then see where we're at, and if we're good so far, perhaps open retail/restaurants/bars with social distancing measures. No large gatherings until there's a vaccine or very effective treatment.

I'm actually okay with what Texas is doing so far, and I think governer Hot Wheels and Dan Patrick are two of the most awful human beings around.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, but who on this forum has worn a mask for more than 2 hours at a time? I do it on a regular basis, and it's a miserable existence. I do it because I come into contact with sick people and I don't want to bring something home with me. But boys, I'm not sure it is practical to ask people wear PPE for a 10-hour work day. I think that is a very reasonable request in short bursts, such as going to a sporting event, going to the grocery store, going to the restaurant. I also have very little confidence that the average person can wear PPE that long without touching the outside of their evil PPE and completely defeating the purpose of the PPE in the first place.

I think that at some point we are just going to have to send the kids back to school...ready or not. And it'll have to be without PPE. They will be little carrier monkeys, and we will have to try to keep them away from immunocompromised or elderly. Kids that are immunocompromised will have to be home schooled. It's unfortunate, but it's time to put forward realistic strategies.

 

[Saint_Ward]

I think that the chatter of us being back in this situation in the winter was enough for people just to say...screw it. And honestly, I don't blame them. We cannot isolate for a year. That's beyond nuts. I'm a medical provider, I want to see people live, but that in my opinion is just not feasible at all and quite honestly, I'm not completely certain if it's in the best interest of our country and public health in the grand scheme of things. I think more conversation needs to take place on how to open up, and how to do it quickly and responsibly as possible under the circumstances. But the "lets continue strict social distancing for another 8 months" is NOT an answer. Find an answer under a realistic set of circumstances.

This might be better for the lifestyle thread, but...

My wife darn near had a mental breakdown on Thursday. The isolation is really taking a toll on her. Part of it, is that she never made a plan for her days, like I suggested she do, since she's not good with idle time. Once her work got slow (thank God she works for the state courts), she's been anxious.

I finally got her to create a list of things she can do. And I force her to make a plan for each day. She also made me take her credit cards, because she was leaving the house to buy beer every day last week. She didn't like that. A weird/nice bonus, is that she didn't have a single drink Friday, Saturday, or Sunday. And she's been in a better mood, more energetic, etc.

She's working on balancing her day with some house chores, playing with the kitten, calling friends and family (zoom too), painting, reading, etc. Also told her to take some personal time with the kids. Not just in the room with them, but do something with them. Connect.

A big help was that I told my mom to call her. We're both blessed with moms who are easy to talk to and we both like. My wife loves my mom. For whatever reason, she just doesn't reach out to her, but they talked for an hour, and it helped turn her around on Friday.

Yesterday, she felt herself getting anxious again (mostly because despite making a list of things, she wasn't planning any of it!), so we went out for an hour long drive (mostly in the rain), and then I got her a vanilla shake from Burger Fi. (online order from the car). We drove by the beach, and a lot of places. It was nice.

That coupled with the fact she needs new contacts and is worried they won't extend her prescription (it's been the same for like 10 years), since the eye doctor is closed, and we have our usual check ups we'd like to be able to do, dental cleanings, etc. Long term, this can do some damage.

I'm all ok with opening things up, but it has to be done smart, with a protocol, and we need to follow it. Businesses and doctors need to be willing to deny service for people not following the protocols.. or at least trying mostly.

I donated blood last week. Appointment only. Sanitize hands immediately. Then sign in. After that, minus the masks and some in between cleaning, it's pretty much the same (duh, it's a blood center). I like how grocery stores are limiting entries, and pre-cleaning carts. I haven't been to costco in a month, but last time I went I liked their approach. Even my local gas station is doing some stuff.

We can do this, but if everyone just goes back to normal, we're forked.

 

[Loose Cannon]

I mean, I think at this point the go-forward plan is pretty clear, and most politicians are on the same page, give or take. It's going to look like the Texas plan. Phased in, with "pauses" to see what happens. Slowly open nonessential retail, first for curbside only. Open parks and outdoor stuff. Then get people back to their jobs with PPE. Then see where we're at, and if we're good so far, perhaps open retail/restaurants/bars with social distancing measures. No large gatherings until there's a vaccine or very effective treatment.

I'm actually okay with what Texas is doing so far, and I think governer Hot Wheels and Dan Patrick are two of the most awful human beings around.

To add - I think the only thing that will differ is when this happens. You may have some cities or states doing things at different times.

IE - I think Georgia is pushing their plan too early/fast. I think Texas is doing it about at the right speed.

 

[Saint_Ward]

I'm not trying to be argumentative, but who on this forum has worn a mask for more than 2 hours at a time? I do it on a regular basis, and it's a miserable existence. I do it because I come into contact with sick people and I don't want to bring something home with me. But boys, I'm not sure it is practical to ask people wear PPE for a 10-hour work day. I think that is a very reasonable request in short bursts, such as going to a sporting event, going to the grocery store, going to the restaurant. I also have very little confidence that the average person can wear PPE that long without touching the outside of their evil PPE and completely defeating the purpose of the PPE in the first place.

I think that at some point we are just going to have to send the kids back to school...ready or not. And it'll have to be without PPE. They will be little carrier monkeys, and we will have to try to keep them away from immunocompromised or elderly. Kids that are immunocompromised will have to be home schooled. It's unfortunate, but it's time to put forward realistic strategies.

My office requires masks while in the office. We can take it off at our cubes, but if we walk around, we have to have one on. Only like two people aren't really doing it, and they're the big bosses. Even then, when they go to some areas, they pop on a mask.

I've seen people get up without them and realize the mistake and run back, almost like a kitten. haha.

p.s. yes, my nose hurts, depending on the mask. it is miserable, but I've been through worse. Also, the cloth ones, depending on how they're made can be more comfortable. Won't offer the same protection. I wouldn't wear an N95 or respirator all day, as those are too tight. A surgical mask, I could wear all day. I've actually enjoyed those, since they breath well and aren't too tight. I also have an "ear saver" if I need to switch it up.

If you touch your mask, it's not game over, so long as you wash your hands regularly. Heck, I still over wash.

 

[Loose Cannon]

I'm not trying to be argumentative, but who on this forum has worn a mask for more than 2 hours at a time? I do it on a regular basis, and it's a miserable existence. I do it because I come into contact with sick people and I don't want to bring something home with me. But boys, I'm not sure it is practical to ask people wear PPE for a 10-hour work day. I think that is a very reasonable request in short bursts, such as going to a sporting event, going to the grocery store, going to the restaurant. I also have very little confidence that the average person can wear PPE that long without touching the outside of their evil PPE and completely defeating the purpose of the PPE in the first place.

I think that at some point we are just going to have to send the kids back to school...ready or not. And it'll have to be without PPE. They will be little carrier monkeys, and we will have to try to keep them away from immunocompromised or elderly. Kids that are immunocompromised will have to be home schooled. It's unfortunate, but it's time to put forward realistic strategies.

A lot of us have family that works in healthcare. My wife has to wear a mask all day and she's in administration and not even in a room anymore. She hates it. I think when I think PPE I'm thinking more the cloth variety. I've been wearing a bandana with a Balaclava over top of it when I go places. It's not bad at all.

But you are thinking past where my post was. I'm assuming school is done for this semester. I don't think we can make any decisions on school for another few months. I don't think there's any use in worrying about schools opening in four months right now. We have no idea what things will look like even in a month.

It's a "one thing at a time", then wait and see how it goes, rinse repeat thing. Which really sucks, because I think the most difficult thing for a lot of people is not seeing a finish line. I know it is for me personally.

 

[sammymvpknight]

This might be better for the lifestyle thread, but...

My wife darn near had a mental breakdown on Thursday. The isolation is really taking a toll on her. Part of it, is that she never made a plan for her days, like I suggested she do, since she's not good with idle time. Once her work got slow (thank God she works for the state courts), she's been anxious.

I finally got her to create a list of things she can do. And I force her to make a plan for each day. She also made me take her credit cards, because she was leaving the house to buy beer every day last week. She didn't like that. A weird/nice bonus, is that she didn't have a single drink Friday, Saturday, or Sunday. And she's been in a better mood, more energetic, etc.

She's working on balancing her day with some house chores, playing with the kitten, calling friends and family (zoom too), painting, reading, etc. Also told her to take some personal time with the kids. Not just in the room with them, but do something with them. Connect.

A big help was that I told my mom to call her. We're both blessed with moms who are easy to talk to and we both like. My wife loves my mom. For whatever reason, she just doesn't reach out to her, but they talked for an hour, and it helped turn her around on Friday.

Yesterday, she felt herself getting anxious again (mostly because despite making a list of things, she wasn't planning any of it!), so we went out for an hour long drive (mostly in the rain), and then I got her a vanilla shake from Burger Fi. (online order from the car). We drove by the beach, and a lot of places. It was nice.

That coupled with the fact she needs new contacts and is worried they won't extend her prescription (it's been the same for like 10 years), since the eye doctor is closed, and we have our usual check ups we'd like to be able to do, dental cleanings, etc. Long term, this can do some damage.

I'm all ok with opening things up, but it has to be done smart, with a protocol, and we need to follow it. Businesses and doctors need to be willing to deny service for people not following the protocols.. or at least trying mostly.

I donated blood last week. Appointment only. Sanitize hands immediately. Then sign in. After that, minus the masks and some in between cleaning, it's pretty much the same (duh, it's a blood center). I like how grocery stores are limiting entries, and pre-cleaning carts. I haven't been to costco in a month, but last time I went I liked their approach. Even my local gas station is doing some stuff.

We can do this, but if everyone just goes back to normal, we're forked.

I'm sorry man. One of my daughters, who is very well adjusted started having night terrors this past week. She hasn't seen her friends in months. She use to like school and education. She is becoming more depressed with each passing day with this home school set-up. What we are doing right now simply is NOT sustainable. I'd gladly see my grandpa die for the sake of my children. Call me callus, but it is what it is. I truly believe that are underestimating the psychological ramifications that this has on our country...especially on our children.

 

[Loose Cannon]

New Orleans has bleach pretty readily available at this point (it sells out quickly in groceries, but Home Depot regularly has "outdoor strength"). Rouse's has huge bins of hand sanitizer, and the local distilleries have had it for a while.

Still no lysol or wipes, though.

Haven't seen hand sanitizer at the store in months. I have a way to source it though (friend owns a small distillery that is making it), so for us it hasn't been an issue.

 

[bonnjer]

Nada.

Can't even find bleach to shock my redneck pool

In Texas we've moved from milk, eggs, toilet paper and paper towels being rare to bleach, spaghetti, and energy drinks.

Here's a fairly recent article I just found:

Looking for Lysol spray and Clorox wipes? COVID-19 wiped out disinfectants, but here’s when you can buy again

If you're out of Lysol wipes and Clorox spray, are you out of luck? Here's when you'll be able to buy disinfectants to protect yourself from COVID-19.

www.usatoday.com

 

[DaveXA]

Haven't seen hand sanitizer at the store in months. I have a way to source it though (friend owns a small distillery that is making it), so for us it hasn't been an issue.

PM me your sauce. I haven't seen any here in any store since the national emergency was announced. Heck, I haven't seen any toilet paper either. We still have another month's supply, but, I'm starting to debate ordering a bit more for an extra month.

I have to plan a bit differently with essentially six adults in my house.

 

[bonnjer]

To be sure, social distancing and staying at home are two different things. We can't stay at home indefinitely, that I agree with. But we can practice social distancing and utilize PPE for as long as necessary until effective treatments and vaccines are developed.

In any case, I suspect there will be a new normal for the next year or two until CV19 is either gone or reduced to a small percentage and effective treatments are widely available.

If EVERYONE would wear some type of face covering, I think we'd cut down transmission rates dramatically. The problem is that only about a 1/4 to 1/3 of the people I've seen at stores have something on.