Dan Orlovsky about the saints and Kellen Moore (12 Viewers)

[Saint Greg]

honestly, with the current make up and financial situation of the roster, i recommend they re-up with rizzi for one more year. i think rizzi would be up for the challenge knowing he probably won't make it past another year. just give him a huge 1 year contract to make sure it is worht it for him. who knows he might surprise us. next year we'll be in a much better situation. we can cut bait with derek carr, an aging roster, and have plenty of cap space.

We aren’t going to sign Rizzi for 1 season. I don’t know why so many people think that can happen. If we go with Rizzi he’s getting a 3-5 year contract and you know how Loomis doesn’t like to fire his friends. We’re going to end up with him for longer than we want.

 

[No2DC]

We aren’t going to sign Rizzi for 1 season. I don’t know why so many people think that can happen. If we go with Rizzi he’s getting a 3-5 year contract and you know how Loomis doesn’t like to fire his friends. We’re going to end up with him for longer than we want.

This is the problem and he needs to go. Even if we fire him, he still gets paid. i do not support the idea of giving any coach a pass for 3 years; no one does that.

 

[saintmike23]

I'm not on board with giving anyone more than 2 years without a playoff appearance. If that's what we need, just hire the interim guy and fire him after we've cleaned things up.

With our roster and cap situation this is a 4 year rebuild

 

[No2DC]

With our roster and cap situation this is a 4 year rebuild

When has a franchise allowed a new coach to lose for 4 years? I am not questioning that we are facing a multi-year rebuild, but coaches don't get a pass to lose for four years.

 

[Saint Greg]

This is the problem and he needs to go. Even if we fire him, he still gets paid. i do not support the idea of giving any coach a pass for 3 years; no one does that.

And nobody hires a coach for 1 year. Mascona is an idiot. His videos are just click bait. He’s acting like he doesn’t know Aaron Glenn was drafted by the Jets and spent 9 years there.

 

[Elvis]

I understand, but you still need a metric of progress. You can't give a coach a pass for two years and say it doesn't matter what the record is. Of course, I think the FO needs to be blown up as well, but I don't think anyone expects Mick to do that.

But you're saying the metric of progress is wins and losses when it could be development of a young core group of players on a thin roster. I'm not defending Micky's "look beyond the results" but when a team is as bare as this one is likely to be over the next couple of years you almost have to. If we can see the same progress in year 3 that we saw in 2008 with Payton, I'd be satisfied. Sure we didn't win a huge amount of games, but we really saw some young players develop into a fun to watch team. After this past season, fun to watch games that we lost would be a welcome treat.

 

[Elvis]

With our roster and cap situation this is a 4 year rebuild

It can't be a 4 year rebuild. If that is what it takes then someone else needs to be fired. If they are serious, it can be done in 1-2 years. Serious drafting of BPA and clearing the cap by year 3 to be able to fill the holes that weren't filled in the prior two drafts. If they aren't serious about a rebuild we are in purgatory no matter who they hire.

 

[No2DC]

And nobody hires a coach for 1 year. Mascona is an idiot. His videos are just click bait. He’s acting like he doesn’t know Aaron Glenn was drafted by the Jets and spent 9 years there.

Obviously, you don't tell him him he's being hired for a year. Doi you think that's what Kraft told Mayo or Davis told Pierce?

 

[No2DC]

But you're saying the metric of progress is wins and losses when it could be development of a young core group of players on a thin roster. I'm not defending Micky's "look beyond the results" but when a team is as bare as this one is likely to be over the next couple of years you almost have to. If we can see the same progress in year 3 that we saw in 2008 with Payton, I'd be satisfied. Sure we didn't win a huge amount of games, but we really saw some young players develop into a fun to watch team. After this past season, fun to watch games that we lost would be a welcome treat.

I don't think we disagree; I just don't see the point in keeping a coach after consecutive losing seasons. Show me the example for reference purposes.

 

[LetsGetWaffles]

Sure you could've done better

He’d respond sooner but he pulled a muscle in his shoulder yawning.

 

[Saint Greg]

Obviously, you don't tell him him he's being hired for a year. Doi you think that's what Kraft told Mayo or Davis told Pierce?

I’m sure they gave them three year deals. And I don’t think they did it expecting to fire them after one year. And you know we won’t do it so it’s silly to continually suggest it. If we hire Rizzi he’s here for three years no matter how bad we are.

 

[Centmssaint1]

I'm not on board with giving anyone more than 2 years without a playoff appearance. If that's what we need, just hire the interim guy and fire him after we've cleaned things up.

Were you on the DA wagon until you weren’t?

 

[oodank]

After what Washington did and what Texans did, both in the 1st year of a new regime with rookie QBs, im not here for the 'gimmee 2 years first' guy. Prove that you are HC material.. If you scared of a hard days work DON'T SIGN UP.

 

[LetsGetWaffles]

I understand, but you still need a metric of progress. You can't give a coach a pass for two years and say it doesn't matter what the record is. Of course, I think the FO needs to be blown up as well, but I don't think anyone expects Mick to do that.

I wholeheartedly disagree for two simple reasons:

1. We have the worst combined roster and cap situation for the upcoming season with 5 of our oldest players who also happen to be starters and captains who are taking up over $110M at some of the most important positions: QB Carr, DE Cam, MLB Demario, Football player Taysom, S Tyrann. If all those guys are off the roster after the 2025 season then not only are we going to have to find starters but team leaders. This roster is an absolute train wreck and it’s hard to even find 8 currently players on the roster who even have the potential or talent to be starting on this team (or any team for that matter) in the 2027, the would be 3rd year of the new coach’s tenure.

2. Building a roster takes time. How long do you think it takes a coach to get all of his type of players around him especially from an offensive perspective when the only weapons we currently have are Olave and Shaheed who can’t stay healthy, Kamara who has been banged up and is almost over 30, and Foster who is just a middle of the road TE. And on the OL we have 2 players who may be on the team two years from now in Fuaga and McCoy, but he has had healthy issues too. Then on D the only starters who will almost certainly be here for the 2026 season will be Bresee, Granderson, Werner, and Kool-Aid.

If I am Loomis and if the new HC is someone like Kellen Moore, then I am literally tell him something to the effect of, “I know this team is a shot show right now being that we don’t have a decent roster, it’s completely lacking depth, and our starting QB isn’t the guy. I know you need time to build your culture and identity as a leader of the locker room and develop the players you need to fit your scheme. Unless there is a player mutiny, abject ineptitude and incompetence, or only 3 wins in the next 34 games with zero signs of progress, you will not be judged based on your final record until after your third full season and even then, the record isn’t the most important thing.”

Do you think it’s better to have your coach rush things and force bridge players to play well beyond their abilities in order to get a slightly better record in order to prevent firing, or should they feel calm and secure in their position knowing the GM has patience and the desire to see you develop your philosophy to the best of its potential?

 

[No2DC]

Were you on the DA wagon until you weren’t?

Never, I hated it from day one.