Dan Orlovsky about the saints and Kellen Moore (34 Viewers)

[St. Geezy]

This.

The Saints job is not ideal for any potential head coach. A new, young coach is staring down the barrel of the Saints job being a career set back in the long run. It will be more damaging than good. He comes here, loses and doesn't improve anything, that follows him around for the rest of his career. That coach will always have to improve his reputation in the league. The Saints roster, cap space and front office is set up to fail. For years, the Saints had a win now mentality and it failed every time. Now, it's time to pay the piper.

The issue is the Saints have a delusional general manager who still thinks the Saints are an attractive spot. They are not. Four candidates turned it down.

Aaron Glenn - I get it. He was a Jet before a Saint but for him to think that the Jets job, with arguably THE most dysfunctional organization was a better option that the Saints job, is a wakeup call to the Saints brass, or it should be.
Kliff Kingsbury - No loss. He is not a head coach and at least he knows it too now.
Joe Brady - Now this one was a slap in the face. A guy who has been in the building, knows the front office and the Saints organization basically says, "Nah, I'm good." Financially, he's smart. Why go to a terrible situation where he can wait and go to a much more new coach friendly spot?
Mike McCarthy - Drops out because, rumored, that Moore will be offered the job. Yet another slap.

The fans were the first to say that the Saints were a terrible spot. Well, the local media and the national media are now catching on. Mickey Loomis and Gayle Benson HAVE to do damage control and finally admit that what they are doing isn't working.

A lot of conjecture and assumptions in this post. There is a lot of back-channel stuff that goes on with these things, including guys dropping out once they catch wind that they’re not wanted.

 

[SweetT]

I don’t need a coach to have a fun personality. Just win and the fun will come. I’m more concerned with the players having the fun.

 

[St. Geezy]

I don’t need a coach to have a fun personality. Just win and the fun will come. I’m more concerned with the players having the fun.

Agreed.

Winning and fun usually go hand-in-hand. Sean Payton wasn’t always “Dance in the locker room after big wins”’Sean Payton.

The fun culture and vibes with Moore will come if we win. The rush you get from winning these games is akin to having drinks with your guys. He’ll be very fun if he’s getting the job done.

 

[faceman]

The problem is our roster is aged vets and salary cap is so terrible we cant splash on anything FA.
We are 50m Over cap (32nd) and ranked #1 in dead cap (48M) for 2025 season. this is very bad.

Unless I'm reading this wrong we'll be 58M under in 2026 and 221M under in 2027. Yes, 25 is
going to be bad,but there is light at the end of the tunnell. It's not going to be a 4 year rebuild.

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[ravenblade23x]

I'm not on board with giving anyone more than 2 years without a playoff appearance. If that's what we need, just hire the interim guy and fire him after we've cleaned things up.

Micky was willing to give DA three full years and maybe a 4th if Ms. B did not get involved and at that time you could make an argument that the team was still talented.

This is not really even close to being a playoff team, I would be shocked if who ever they hire does not get 4-5 years to turn it around.

 

[Saints 318]

If we don’t interview MM than Moore got the job

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

Agreed.

Winning and fun usually go hand-in-hand. Sean Payton wasn’t always “Dance in the locker room after big wins”’Sean Payton.

The fun culture and vibes with Moore will come if we win. The rush you get from winning these games is akin to having drinks with your guys. He’ll be very fun if he’s getting the job done.

IN FACT, there were more than a few posters here who labeled the new coach's personality as immature.

 

[Twags14]

58M is not as large as it used to be - that still puts us in the bottom 7 of cap space for 2026. and in 2027 we are in the middle.

 

[soggymoss84]

This.

The Saints job is not ideal for any potential head coach. A new, young coach is staring down the barrel of the Saints job being a career set back in the long run. It will be more damaging than good. He comes here, loses and doesn't improve anything, that follows him around for the rest of his career. That coach will always have to improve his reputation in the league. The Saints roster, cap space and front office is set up to fail. For years, the Saints had a win now mentality and it failed every time. Now, it's time to pay the piper.

The issue is the Saints have a delusional general manager who still thinks the Saints are an attractive spot. They are not. Four candidates turned it down.

Aaron Glenn - I get it. He was a Jet before a Saint but for him to think that the Jets job, with arguably THE most dysfunctional organization was a better option that the Saints job, is a wakeup call to the Saints brass, or it should be.
Kliff Kingsbury - No loss. He is not a head coach and at least he knows it too now.
Joe Brady - Now this one was a slap in the face. A guy who has been in the building, knows the front office and the Saints organization basically says, "Nah, I'm good." Financially, he's smart. Why go to a terrible situation where he can wait and go to a much more new coach friendly spot?
Mike McCarthy - Drops out because, rumored, that Moore will be offered the job. Yet another slap.

The fans were the first to say that the Saints were a terrible spot. Well, the local media and the national media are now catching on. Mickey Loomis and Gayle Benson HAVE to do damage control and finally admit that what they are doing isn't working.

This is ridiculous.

1) Aaron Glenn didn’t turn us down, he literally took the job he was offered. He was never offered the job here, we just had an interview request in.

2) Joe Brady very well could feel like he is not ready. He is really the only one that turned down a 2nd interview.

3) KK and MM both “pulled out” the same day it’s announced KM is the frontrunner. That’s a save face move to make it seem like they’re more focused on other things than a HC gig they weren’t going to get.

 

[Twags14]

That wasn’t the point. The point was that we have shown we can work around it. Whether we should do it or not wasn’t relevant to the discussion.

The road is endless, BTW.

I get your point and it holds no water to the point I'm making. Which is this team is not 1 or 2 years away like the Houstons or Washington because this roster and cap situation is dismal.

 

[SweetT]

Agreed.

Winning and fun usually go hand-in-hand. Sean Payton wasn’t always “Dance in the locker room after big wins”’Sean Payton.

The fun culture and vibes with Moore will come if we win. The rush you get from winning these games is akin to having drinks with your guys. He’ll be very fun if he’s getting the job done.

Exactly. The goal is to win and there is nothing more fun (to players) than winning.

 

[OzzieSaint]

58M is not as large as it used to be - that still puts us in the bottom 7 of cap space for 2026. and in 2027 we are in the middle.

Better than at the bottom.

 

[Twags14]

Better than at the bottom.

ya but that's until we restructure to get under the cap this year and doing that pushes dead money into 2026 cap so, TBD.

 

[OzzieSaint]

ya but that's until we restructure to get under the cap this year and doing that pushes dead money into 2026 cap so, TBD.

For sure TBD, as long as we don't restructure Carr.

 

[jayd265]

Nobody would take such an inhumane job offer.

nfl is fully guaranteed coaching contracts. hell ill be that guy if they need someone to just stand on the sidelines for 2 years.