Dan Orlovsky about the saints and Kellen Moore (11 Viewers)

[No2DC]

I wholeheartedly disagree for two simple reasons:

1. We have the worst combined roster and cap situation for the upcoming season with 5 of our oldest players who also happen to be starters and captains who are taking up over $110M at some of the most important positions: QB Carr, DE Cam, MLB Demario, Football player Taysom, S Tyrann. If all those guys are off the roster after the 2025 season then not only are we going to have to find starters but team leaders. This roster is an absolute train wreck and it’s hard to even find 8 currently players on the roster who even have the potential or talent to be starting on this team (or any team for that matter) in the 2027, the would be 3rd year of the new coach’s tenure.

2. Building a roster takes time. How long do you think it takes a coach to get all of his type of players around him especially from an offensive perspective when the only weapons we currently have are Olave and Shaheed who can’t stay healthy, Kamara who has been banged up and is almost over 30, and Foster who is just a middle of the road TE. And on the OL we have 2 players who may be on the team two years from now in Fuaga and McCoy, but he has had healthy issues too. Then on D the only starters who will almost certainly be here for the 2026 season will be Bresee, Granderson, Werner, and Kool-Aid.

If I am Loomis and if the new HC is someone like Kellen Moore, then I am literally tell him something to the effect of, “I know this team is a shot show right now being that we don’t have a decent roster, it’s completely lacking depth, and our starting QB isn’t the guy. I know you need time to build your culture and identity as a leader of the locker room and develop the players you need to fit your scheme. Unless there is a player mutiny, abject ineptitude and incompetence, or only 3 wins in the next 34 games with zero signs of progress, you will not be judged based on your final record until after your third full season and even then, the record isn’t the most important thing.”

Do you think it’s better to have your coach rush things and force bridge players to play well beyond their abilities in order to get a slightly better record in order to prevent firing, or should they feel calm and secure in their position knowing the GM has patient and the desire to see you develop your philosophy to the best of its potential?

Okay, give the example of a coach who got a for year-losing pass. I don't disagree with the logic, I just don't recall it happening with any modern coach.

 

[Tulsa Saint]

And nobody hires a coach for 1 year. Mascona is an idiot. His videos are just click bait. He’s acting like he doesn’t know Aaron Glenn was drafted by the Jets and spent 9 years there.

If the saints hired glenn he'd have complained about the good ol boy network again.

 

[saintmike23]

It can't be a 4 year rebuild. If that is what it takes then someone else needs to be fired. If they are serious, it can be done in 1-2 years. Serious drafting of BPA and clearing the cap by year 3 to be able to fill the holes that weren't filled in the prior two drafts. If they aren't serious about a rebuild we are in purgatory no matter who they hire.

It’s about criteria. If you say that a coach has to reach the playoffs in 3 years when you have the oldest roster in the NFL and holes at every position then you’re setting someone up for failure. If you say that you want to see improvement and a coach’s vision for nee and younger players take place and playoffs in 4 years then the coach has a better shot. We have no foundation right now.

We are weak at every position and getting older. We have no identity on offense or defense. The goals for the coach should not be cut throat playoffs in 2 years or else. It should be to develop players and establish excellence.

The biggest thing we need is a franchise QB who can work closely with the HC. We aren’t getting that this year. So we need another high draft pick next year. Having a coach who knows this and can put in the time to lay the groundwork for the next QB will be important.

Also, he will have to make a decision to go with Carr and take on that cap space or move on knowing that his first year will be a struggle. Year one is basically a reset year and year two is a QB development year.

 

[BBarnes]

It can't be a 4 year rebuild. If that is what it takes then someone else needs to be fired. If they are serious, it can be done in 1-2 years. Serious drafting of BPA and clearing the cap by year 3 to be able to fill the holes that weren't filled in the prior two drafts. If they aren't serious about a rebuild we are in purgatory no matter who they hire.

Right. No organization in their right mind has a plan to rebuild that will be mapped out at 4 years. None. Ever.

 

[Twags14]

After what Washington did and what Texans did, both in the 1st year of a new regime with rookie QBs, im not here for the 'gimmee 2 years first' guy. Prove that you are HC material.. If you scared of a hard days work DON'T SIGN UP.

The problem is our roster is aged vets and salary cap is so terrible we cant splash on anything FA.
We are 50m Over cap (32nd) and ranked #1 in dead cap (48M) for 2025 season. this is very bad.

 

[NatureBoy]

Right. No organization in their right mind has a plan to rebuild that will be mapped out at 4 years. None. Ever.

While I agree with this, the Saints next coach will be starting with a 1-2 year disadvantage. It's one thing to take over a team that needs to be gutted. It's another to take over a team that needs to be gutted and you have very limited resources (over the next 1-2 years) with which to repopulate the roster. So if a 2 year honeymoon is considered reasonable, you'd have to tack another year on at the very least. Excellent drafting over the next 2 years might be the only cheat code you could hope for, unless you want to keep mortgaging the future.

 

[44slayer]

Vince Lombardi wouldn’t win more than 7 games with this roster in 2025.I think year 1 is a mulligan for Moore because of how weak and thin the roster is. Year 2 you want to see the flashes of a turnaround and year 3 is the expectation year.

Moore was 5th or 6th on my list, but he is at least alive, as opposed to Lombardi…..who incidentally withdrew his name from the saints HC job from beyond the grave. It was down to Moore and Rizzi.

I would’ve gone Rizzi, only because he would eat the L’s, we could fire him after 1 year because it’s fairly common for interims turned permanent. Fix the roster and the cap, fire Loomis and have a high draft pick in 26. Make the job more attractive and get back in the HC search again with something to actually offer a bright young OC.

But Moore, there’s at least some unknown. Younger guy, you never know how he will turn out. Could be a dud, might be the future.

 

[St. Geezy]

The problem is our roster is aged vets and salary cap is so terrible we cant splash on anything FA.
We are 50m Over cap (32nd) and ranked #1 in dead cap (48M) for 2025 season. this is very bad.

We literally signed the league’s highest paid free agent in a year where we started off even worse off than this just two seasons ago.

 

[los226]

“Kellen is a guy that’s reserved, super intelligent, and didn’t command a room like a HC” Straight from Dan Orlovsky who actually spent time with him as a teammate. He sounds like a guy that’s good guy, but he is no Sean Payton.

Payton is cocky, arrogant, petty, and probably not a nice guy at all, so there is no comparison between the two outside of both being former backup QB’s turned offensive coordinators.

He doesn’t have to be like Sean Payton, but the recent comparisons have been silly. Hopefully he can get the job done, but we’ll see if he can even do better than DA.

 

[Derek_B]

I'm glad the guy that ran out of the end zone is critiquing individuals about growth

Give it a rest, just because he didn't pan at one job doesn't mean he can't do another one. He told no lies.

 

[BensonJr]

I wholeheartedly disagree for two simple reasons:

1. We have the worst combined roster and cap situation for the upcoming season with 5 of our oldest players who also happen to be starters and captains who are taking up over $110M at some of the most important positions: QB Carr, DE Cam, MLB Demario, Football player Taysom, S Tyrann. If all those guys are off the roster after the 2025 season then not only are we going to have to find starters but team leaders. This roster is an absolute train wreck and it’s hard to even find 8 currently players on the roster who even have the potential or talent to be starting on this team (or any team for that matter) in the 2027, the would be 3rd year of the new coach’s tenure.

2. Building a roster takes time. How long do you think it takes a coach to get all of his type of players around him especially from an offensive perspective when the only weapons we currently have are Olave and Shaheed who can’t stay healthy, Kamara who has been banged up and is almost over 30, and Foster who is just a middle of the road TE. And on the OL we have 2 players who may be on the team two years from now in Fuaga and McCoy, but he has had healthy issues too. Then on D the only starters who will almost certainly be here for the 2026 season will be Bresee, Granderson, Werner, and Kool-Aid.

If I am Loomis and if the new HC is someone like Kellen Moore, then I am literally tell him something to the effect of, “I know this team is a shot show right now being that we don’t have a decent roster, it’s completely lacking depth, and our starting QB isn’t the guy. I know you need time to build your culture and identity as a leader of the locker room and develop the players you need to fit your scheme. Unless there is a player mutiny, abject ineptitude and incompetence, or only 3 wins in the next 34 games with zero signs of progress, you will not be judged based on your final record until after your third full season and even then, the record isn’t the most important thing.”

Do you think it’s better to have your coach rush things and force bridge players to play well beyond their abilities in order to get a slightly better record in order to prevent firing, or should they feel calm and secure in their position knowing the GM has patient and the desire to see you develop your philosophy to the best of its potential?

Excellent post. We probably have the least talented roster in the NFC, especially when you focus on our under 30 year old players who are supposed to be the leaders of the team over the next 5 years. It's not just bad luck that 4 coaching candidates said they were not interested in our head coaching job, not sure if that has ever happened before in the NFL.

 

[St. Geezy]

“Kellen is a guy that’s reserved, super intelligent, and didn’t command a room like a HC” Straight from Dan Orlovsky who actually spent time with him as a teammate. He sounds like a guy that’s good guy, but he is no Sean Payton.

Payton is cocky, arrogant, petty, and probably not a nice guy at all, so there is no comparison between the two outside of both being former backup QB’s turned offensive coordinators.

He doesn’t have to be like Sean Payton, but the recent comparisons have been silly. Hopefully he can get the job done, but we’ll see if he can even do better than DA.

Weird comment by him.

Dan spent one single season with Moore in Detroit, a year in which Moore was a third string QB.

I have never been in a NFL QB meeting room, but I can’t imagine the third string nobody QB with no skins on the wall getting too many opportunities to “Command a room like a HC.”

I’ll also add that the guy was 24-25 at the time. I know for sure I was a MUCH different person, leadership wise at 36 than I was when I was a quiet, sometimes shy 24 year old still learning my way through adult world.

 

[Twags14]

We literally signed the league’s highest paid free agent in a year where we started off even worse off than this just two seasons ago.

And look where we are. You can't keep kicking the can down the road, you eventually have to pay the piper. This method is unsustainable. We are paying money to people that haven't been on the roster in 2 years.

 

[St. Geezy]

And look where we are. You can't keep kicking the can down the road, you eventually have to pay the piper. This method is unsustainable. We are paying money to people that haven't been on the roster in 2 years.

That wasn’t the point. The point was that we have shown we can work around it. Whether we should do it or not wasn’t relevant to the discussion.

The road is endless, BTW.

 

[MarylandWHODAT]

The problem is our roster is aged vets and salary cap is so terrible we cant splash on anything FA.
We are 50m Over cap (32nd) and ranked #1 in dead cap (48M) for 2025 season. this is very bad.

This.

The Saints job is not ideal for any potential head coach. A new, young coach is staring down the barrel of the Saints job being a career set back in the long run. It will be more damaging than good. He comes here, loses and doesn't improve anything, that follows him around for the rest of his career. That coach will always have to improve his reputation in the league. The Saints roster, cap space and front office is set up to fail. For years, the Saints had a win now mentality and it failed every time. Now, it's time to pay the piper.

The issue is the Saints have a delusional general manager who still thinks the Saints are an attractive spot. They are not. Four candidates turned it down.

Aaron Glenn - I get it. He was a Jet before a Saint but for him to think that the Jets job, with arguably THE most dysfunctional organization was a better option that the Saints job, is a wakeup call to the Saints brass, or it should be.
Kliff Kingsbury - No loss. He is not a head coach and at least he knows it too now.
Joe Brady - Now this one was a slap in the face. A guy who has been in the building, knows the front office and the Saints organization basically says, "Nah, I'm good." Financially, he's smart. Why go to a terrible situation where he can wait and go to a much more new coach friendly spot?
Mike McCarthy - Drops out because, rumored, that Moore will be offered the job. Yet another slap.

The fans were the first to say that the Saints were a terrible spot. Well, the local media and the national media are now catching on. Mickey Loomis and Gayle Benson HAVE to do damage control and finally admit that what they are doing isn't working.