Dave Grohl drags Taylor Swift on stage in London (1 Viewer)

[J-Donk]

I hear you. But, it just seems like any minor criticism of Swift, based on talent and music, is met with over reaction. I do think some of the nasty stuff said about her on a personal level is uncalled for. But, assuming the story about Grohl's kid getting dragged by Swifties is true, I could see why he might go off half-cocked. I have no idea if what he said is true on not. If it turn out to be true then IMO, it's fair game. And, frankly, I think it's probably true that most people who put on shows like Swift do some amount of lip synching and given that Gohl is in the industry, he may be privy to information that we don't necessarily have.

Just seems like a bit of jumping the gun to assume Gohl doesn't know what he is talking about.

Taylor Swift famously can not take a joke.

Tina Fey, and Amy Poehler made a joke about Swift keeping her hands off of Michael J Fox's son.

Taylor instead of taking it in stride, made this comment:

"There’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help other women."

Tina, and Amy's joke was in reference to 22 year old Taylor dating 17 year old Connor Kennedy.

 

[Eeyore]

He is our generations Paul McCartney,

 

[bigdaddysaints]

Taylor Swift famously can not take a joke.

Tina Fey, and Amy Poehler made a joke about Swift keeping her hands off of Michael J Fox's son.

Taylor instead of taking it in stride, made this comment:

"There’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help other women."

Tina, and Amy's joke was in reference to 22 year old Taylor dating 17 year old Connor Kennedy.

are you referencing something from over 10 years ago? if you have to go back that far to find something, then she probably isn't famous for it...

 

[J-Donk]

are you referencing something from over 10 years ago? if you have to go back that far to find something, then she probably isn't famous for it...

I mean she is famous for this. Here is another from 2021.

 

[Sun Wukong]

tbf hip hop struggled against a corporate takeover as well, but it seemed to re-emerge as an artist driven medium.

A lot of this is a facade. Like major breweries advertising new beers as craft brews. Hip Hop is still very much a commercially compromised genre, the string pullers just got more savvy about presentation. And it also doesn't help that things got so dire there for a while that any marginally talented lyricist started getting labeled as an auteur genius.

 

[BarBar]

I havent seen or read anything other than some social media accounts saying this. I've seen a couple of her concerts on TV and I dunno, it looked good to me.

Not saying you're wrong, but how does someone know this? I don't follow this stuff, so I'm probably clueless on it.

Maybe, but I don't think any of that would take away from the show.

I prefer rock/metal myself as well, but I like all kinds.

I think he knows, but TS doing something typically done in the industry doesn't take anything away from her, and Grohl should know that.

I totally agree with your last statement. It's a total non-issue.

I am a music producer and session musician myself so I can hear a song and basically tell how it was made.

Also...if you are hiring Max Martin to produce your album, what you are actually doing is hiring Max Martin to write your album. That dude is a pop music genius. Maybe it's artist 10%, Martin 90%. Since she did 1989, TS albums sound more and more like something done by a producer on his laptop rather than singer/songwriter. "Producer" in modern terms means "creator", it's not the same as back in the day when the producer was there to keep the ship on course and get the band to finish on time with songs that the band has written.

None of those are criticism, BTW..it's just the way things are done. Same with backing tracks. I think it's fine, and basically you have to do it in certain genres of music. If fans come to the show and hear stripped down "live band" versions of super produced songs they will be disappointed. I don't think it's bad or wrong, but it also doesn't interest me in the slightest no matter how good the show is.


The more I have thought about it, I think Dave's comment was a bit crappy.

Unless, of course, they talked about it beforehand and laid out this plan for publicity. Wouldn't shock me at all....this kind of stuff is done all the time for the publicity...and one thing TS is VERY good at is staying in the public eye.

 

[DaveXA]

I totally agree with your last statement. It's a total non-issue.

I am a music producer and session musician myself so I can hear a song and basically tell how it was made.

Also...if you are hiring Max Martin to produce your album, what you are actually doing is hiring Max Martin to write your album. That dude is a pop music genius. Maybe it's artist 10%, Martin 90%. Since she did 1989, TS albums sound more and more like something done by a producer on his laptop rather than singer/songwriter. "Producer" in modern terms means "creator", it's not the same as back in the day when the producer was there to keep the ship on course and get the band to finish on time with songs that the band has written.

None of those are criticism, BTW..it's just the way things are done. Same with backing tracks. I think it's fine, and basically you have to do it in certain genres of music. If fans come to the show and hear stripped down "live band" versions of super produced songs they will be disappointed. I don't think it's bad or wrong, but it also doesn't interest me in the slightest no matter how good the show is.


The more I have thought about it, I think Dave's comment was a bit crappy.

Unless, of course, they talked about it beforehand and laid out this plan for publicity. Wouldn't shock me at all....this kind of stuff is done all the time for the publicity...and one thing TS is VERY good at is staying in the public eye.

Just curious, when you say writes the album, are you talking about writing the music? I mean, that was what I was assuming because it's well-known that TS has written or co-written every original song on all of her albums. Obviously that doesn't include covers. It's my understanding that TS is pretty involved in production and has a lot of say in what they do. Maybe that's changed over the years, idk.

 

[BarBar]

Just curious, when you say writes the album, are you talking about writing the music? I mean, that was what I was assuming because it's well-known that TS has written or co-written every original song on all of her albums. Obviously that doesn't include covers. It's my understanding that TS is pretty involved in production and has a lot of say in what they do. Maybe that's changed over the years, idk.

I don't know either. I don't have any inside info or anything, it's just what I hear. I don't hear anything different in her music than other pop artists who are not songwriters but are produced by the same people. She is probably writing lyrics because I think they are pretty personal to her experience. Writing lyrics gets you a writing credit. The composition of the songs themselves are as basic as basic can be. The same old chord progressions we have heard for the last 30 years...engineered to be easy to listen to and familiar with massive hooky choruses.

Anyway my only point is that none of this matters. TS has managed to cultivate an incredible community around her brand. She will continue to be successful for many years, and at this level you can bet that her backing band can handily outplay the foo fighters. Her band is probably full of killer players.

She should cover something by Foo Fighters and Dave should do one of hers....that would be a great conclusion to this little feud amongst millionaires.

 

[DaveXA]

I don't know either. I don't have any inside info or anything, it's just what I hear. I don't hear anything different in her music than other pop artists who are not songwriters but are produced by the same people. She is probably writing lyrics because I think they are pretty personal to her experience. Writing lyrics gets you a writing credit. The composition of the songs themselves are as basic as basic can be. The same old chord progressions we have heard for the last 30 years...engineered to be easy to listen to and familiar with massive hooky choruses.

Anyway my only point is that none of this matters. TS has managed to cultivate an incredible community around her brand. She will continue to be successful for many years, and at this level you can bet that her backing band can handily outplay the foo fighters. Her band is probably full of killer players.

She should cover something by Foo Fighters and Dave should do one of hers....that would be a great conclusion to this little feud amongst millionaires.

Good stuff!

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Poser!!
(kidding, I don’t care)