Derek Carr world tour thread (updated with combine visits) (1 Viewer)

[St. Geezy]

I absolutely agree he’s better than the other options we currently have, just don’t think it’s a wise move as our window is closed imo. We need to start the process of getting the cap back in order and working towards opening a new window.

Think it is time we move past this idea. It’s obvious the team still believes its window is open, so I believe as a collective fanbase we need to start focusing on “How do we immediately make this team as good as it can possibly be” rather than worrying about rebuilding or getting the cap in order.

 

[tim martin]

Roto world report states Carr number option is Jets and that’s the hold up for why he won’t negotiate with us now. I guess we’re not his choice. Well if you trust theee types of reports

 

[NatureBoy]

I absolutely agree he’s better than the other options we currently have, just don’t think it’s a wise move as our window is closed imo. We need to start the process of getting the cap back in order and working towards opening a new window.

I agree with this, but I also think the post Payton era needs a face. This team will certainly go through a rebuild. If not a full rebuild, then a major re-tooling. They will have to market something/someone. Carr is a solid guy that may be marketable enough to keep fans interested.

 

[IlovemySaints]

We never compared what Taysom does to what Lamar does. We are discussing that Taysom wouldn't last a whole season without being injured running an RPO system. Nowhere was a Lamar comparison made. Taysom running the RPO for 8-10 plays a game has worked good and kept him relatively healthy throughout his career as a Saint so far.

Someone said LJ IS TAYSOMS CEILING may not have been you but that’s what was posted and that’s what I was responding to

 

[No2DC]

I agree with this, but I also think the post Payton era needs a face. This team will certainly go through a rebuild. If not a full rebuild, then a major re-tooling. They will have to market something/someone. Carr is a solid guy that may be marketable enough to keep fans interested.

Carr is the only hope to keep this offseason from being a complete disaster at this point. I mean they're were no key firings; Carr is the one that can't stop people from saying they didn't improve at all. I remember last year saying Carr was probably the reason McDaniels took the LV job and he shipped him out after one year. I don't the Post-Payton era will begin until the last of his coaching staff is gone and Carr will not affect that.

 

[Rexman100]

I tend to agree with this thought, but for a slightly different reason.

Disregarding whatever is happening (happened?) with JW2, I think TH7 is the best option on the roster. The problem with TH7 is two-fold....the first is his durability, which affects availability. His playing style just does not lend itself to a complete season of football. This isn't unique in football, but it's potentially problematic at the QB position, which brings us to the 2nd problem with TH7. There's no one else in that QB room, or even on the roster, that can play QB in any way that resembles TH7s skillsets. When CSP drafted Tommy Stevens, I was certain that the plan was for TH7 to start, and Stevens would be groomed for the "jack of all trades" role that TH7 would have to relinquish to become a starting QB; and Stevens would be groomed as the backup QB to TH7. Those 2 guys have very similar skillsets, and very similar playing styles. Obviously, I was wrong, as that's not now it panned out. Although in my defense, CSP plays chess, not checkers. Maybe TH7/Stevens was the backup plan, in case TH7 won the QB competition over JW2. When JW2 outplayed TH7 in preseason (and he DID outplay him), the backup plan was not needed.

But that problem still exists. The most compelling argument for TH7 to be the starting QB is to utilize his unique skillset, which will involve tailoring the offense to take advantage of that skillset. And if TH7 was known for his durability, I could see this avenue being pursued. (interesting side note, Derick Carr, in fact IS known for his durability. I think I read somewhere that in 9 seasons, he has missed 3? games. WOW!) But TH7 is not known for his durability....he doesn't just get nicked up, dude gets injured for multi-game stretches. So it makes NO SENSE whatsoever to tailor your offense to his skillset, when there is no one behind him with remotely similar skills to continue running the offense as designed. For this reason, I don't see TH7 as an option.

Contrast this to the Baltimore Ravens, who have LJ8 running the show; with Tyler Huntley as his current backup (used to be RGIII); and Brett Hundley as 3rd string. All 3 guys have reasonably similar playing styles that are somewhat "plug N play" in the Ravens offense, with LJ8 obviously being the best of the 3. Tyler Huntley is a better passer, IMO, but lacks the vision, running ability, improvisational skillset, and leadership of LJ8.....he is like a "Lamarr Lite" version; with Hundley playing so infrequently that it's hard to assess his playing style, but he's got running ability also.

We don't have any of that around TH7. To be honest, TH7 would be a better fit with the Ravens than the Saints. I wouldn't mind the Saints taking a swing at trading for Tyler Huntley, but with the LJ8 situation being what it is, I can't see the Ravens letting Huntley go....he MAY be starting for the Ravens in 2023 if LJ8 isn't there. But if we could get Huntley, I think that Huntley & TH7 are similar enough that you could and SHOULD tailor an offense around that QB room. But in that scenario, Rexman's observations kick in regarding coaches and personnel.

In the absence of that, I like TH7 as the "change of pace" QB and Joker, but I'd like to see him utilized more....IN THE BACKFIELD....so we're not telegraphing "running play" every time we trot him on the field. I'd like to see TH7 as an H-back, on nearly every snap, as defenses could no longer key in on run simply because he's on the field. JMO...

Yea that’s pretty much it. You actually bring up a good point that should tell the rest of the NFL and the media what’s actually going to happen with LJ. Hes going back to the Ravens period. Like you reminded, they have had, for years, RPO QBs on the roster from the starter to the third string. It’s obvious they are all in the RPO style and will be for the foreseeable future. And I also agree that TH7 best fits the change of pace role. I forget what team we played later In the season, they shut down TH very well. They had defenders on the edges in the back field waiting for Th. In these cases he turn up the field sooner and only gain a few yards. But this is not evidence of THs RPO game as a failure, but the failure of the play caller. This is the only clear evidence, so far, that I’ve seen, that show’s PC‘s limitations. or fault. It’s something he needs to learn asap, because in our system the defense should NEVER be that prepared for our RPO plays.

 

[Rexman100]

Someone said LJ IS TAYSOMS CEILING may not have been you but that’s what was posted and that’s what I was responding to

I said it and it’s true, you may be misunderstanding what ”ceiling“ means in terms of TH. Ceiling means, if TH played his absolute best he could ever play, then he could only reach what LJ is now and No more. His ceiling would be LJs floor. Where LJs ceiling is who knows, I cant even think of someone to compare that better than him as an RPO QB. I guess his ceiling would be that his passing level got to Carrs level while retaining his skill running the ball.

 

[DSnfla]

It’s being reported by a couple of beat writers. If the 3 day stay was so meaningful why has he not signed? He’s on record saying it’s not about money.

If you were him would you take the first offer? If you were the Saints would you make your final offer first? There is no rush, especially when FA has not even started. NY beat writers are clickbait whores I wouldn't trust much of what they say

 

[Analyze This]

Where in the world did you get the idea that DC prefers the Jets? He stayed almost 3 days here AND brought the wife , something he did not in NJ

Here is one of the perspectives that aligns with a number of beat writers saying he prefers the NYJ:

• DEREK CARRQB, UNSIGNED FREE AGENT
  
  

  The Athletic's Zack Rosenblatt writes the Jets "should be viewed as the favorite" to land Derek Carr if Aaron Rodgers winds up back in Green Bay.​

 

[Analyze This]

If you were him would you take the first offer? If you were the Saints would you make your final offer first? There is no rush, especially when FA has not even started. NY beat writers are clickbait whores I wouldn't trust much of what they say

Posted the link above. No way anyone knows the truth but I think if he wanted to be a Saint he would be. Personally I don’t see it as a huge loss but that’s me. More concerning is we still can’t close the deal, which has been a trend.

 

[DSnfla]

I absolutely agree he’s better than the other options we currently have, just don’t think it’s a wise move as our window is closed imo. We need to start the process of getting the cap back in order and working towards opening a new window.

I disagree, our window is not closed. We have a pretty good young to in their prime players. We have one of the best groups of CBs in the league. An Oline that is good and young. We drafted a very good WR and found a gem in another. If we stay fairly healthy and add a few pieces our window is open, especially with the NFC having few top teams

 

[DSnfla]

Here is one of the perspectives that aligns with a number of beat writers saying he prefers the NYJ:

• DEREK CARRQB, UNSIGNED FREE AGENT
  
  

  The Athletic's Zack Rosenblatt writes the Jets "should be viewed as the favorite" to land Derek Carr if Aaron Rodgers winds up back in Green Bay.​

Still don't see where it says he prefers the Jets

 

[Rexman100]

I absolutely agree he’s better than the other options we currently have, just don’t think it’s a wise move as our window is closed imo. We need to start the process of getting the cap back in order and working towards opening a new window.

That point of view makes sense. But in reality that plan would at a minimum take 5 years. We can’t draft a QB this year. And we don’t have enough to trade up even if we include 40. So a drafted Qb won’t happen until 2024. By then we’d be having to replace all of our great defensive vets. We’d need two DE’s at least one Dt assuming we draft one this year. Mathieu would need replacing as well as Maye. We’d need at least one more great Lb. At Cb we have youth, so we could be ok. I’m not sure how our Oline will be in two years, but I’ll just say it’s going to be OK. The skill positions would also need refreshing. So we’re looking at a 4-5 year plan to totally flip the roster with youth and no old vets eating dead cap. And that is the best case scenerio, what if the QB we draft in 2024, doesn’t pan out. Then you have to burn at least another year. So be prepared not to want to watch Saints football for half of a decade if we go that route.

 

[Infoman]

Honestly…. The best thing for the team would be to not get Carr…. Change the offense…. Start drafting QBs…. And give the job the Taysom this year. That’s the path to possibly winning the division this year…. And sustaining success going forward.

But that was the best play last year too. So…

Carr could get us a division title this year as well…. But he’s not what’s best for the future of the team.

 

[Rexman100]

I don’t like seeing this about Carr.
Joey Bosa on Carr: "We knew once we hit him a few times, he really gets shook. And you saw on (Covington's) sack, he was pretty much curling into a ball before we even got back there. Great dude, great player...but we know once you get pressure on him, he kind of shuts down."