Derek Carr world tour thread (updated with combine visits) (1 Viewer)

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Rexman100 said:
Whatever, I said the roster outside of drew Brees was as good or better. And that arguably we could be one player away. Some people feast on negativity, and the worst case scenerio, I’m not one of them. Nit picking me when I’m clearly just trying to be positive about the team. My whole point in most of what I say, is perception. Two people can have the total opposite opinion while looking at the exact same thing. You can’t ruin my day, but spewing negativity on a good day just makes you look like the sound that is made when a brick falls into the water 💦 :). Lol
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Not being negative....being realistic....In no known universe are we "one player away".....your roster is only as good as their health is and we have mightily struggled with that the last 2 years, to automatically assume that is going to change combined with what has proven to be thus far....an inept coaching staff? That is a leap of faith I'm not ready to take right now....

And I think even some of the most "positive" Saints fans are not delusional enough to believe that last year's roster was anywhere near as good as our championship winning 2009 SB roster, that is a ridiculous statement on it's face.

I hope I'm proven wrong about DA and he leads the Saints to the playoffs this coming season.....glad I didn't ruin your day!!!!!
 
sfidc3 said:
Not being negative....being realistic....In no known universe are we "one player away".....your roster is only as good as their health is and we have mightily struggled with that the last 2 years, to automatically assume that is going to change combined with what has proven to be thus far....an inept coaching staff? That is a leap of faith I'm not ready to take right now....

And I think even some of the most "positive" Saints fans are not delusional enough to believe that last year's roster was anywhere near as good as our championship winning 2009 SB roster, that is a ridiculous statement on it's face.

I hope I'm proven wrong about DA and he leads the Saints to the playoffs this coming season.....glad I didn't ruin your day!!!!!
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I think you said it all, “leap of faith”. I’m leaping as long as the Saints are fighting. Understand this, with all of the posturing that went along with obtaining Carr, and convincing him that we’re the better team than the Jets In potential. Some salesmanship may have taken place. Lol. With that said, you know darn well that ML and JI will scour FA and the draft to give him as many pieces as possible in all three phases. Had we not gotten Carr, then I could see them taking a less than enthusiastic approach. About 2009 roster, I don’t have the time to go thru it all. But DeMario Davis > Scott Fujita. If you’re interested in proving me wrong. Then continue where i left off and see how it shakes out.
 
Poison said:
So we’ve now recruited our second starting QB from the Raiders, following in the footsteps of Kenny Stabler. Hopefully Carr’s tenure is much longer and more productive.
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We actually got Stabler from the Oilers - if we’re being historically accurate!

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One more thing, I don’t have belief in DA and Co. I just don’t have disbelief. And I’m not going to go around spewing fact-less negative propaganda. However, if he eventually gives me that reason, then I’ll voice my opinion. How can he be judged based off a year without a Qb and none of his coaches. Give the guy a year with his Qb and coaches. Last year the only thing that DA had that was his own, was the defense, and he delivered. Defense wins championships and is a HUGE piece already in place.
 
Rexman100 said:
One more thing, I don’t have belief in DA and Co. I just don’t have disbelief. And I’m not going to go around spewing fact-less negative propaganda. However, if he eventually gives me that reason, then I’ll voice my opinion. How can he be judged based off a year without a Qb and none of his coaches. Give the guy a year with his Qb and coaches. Last year the only thing that DA had that was his own, was the defense, and he delivered. Defense wins championships and is a HUGE piece already in place.
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This.

I didn’t like what I saw from DA in year one. But acting like there’s a 0% chance he can turn things around and make the team better isn’t being “realistic.” It’s being defeatist.

No one can say with any level of certainty if he can fix this. Especially now that we’ve got a decent QB.
 
Saint Spud said:
This.

I didn’t like what I saw from DA in year one. But acting like there’s a 0% chance he can turn things around and make the team better isn’t being “realistic.” It’s being defeatist.

No one can say with any level of certainty if he can fix this. Especially now that we’ve got a decent QB.
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Some people that I thought I respected, in the media, (all three do local radio for Nola demographic. One has a fake Joe Pesci voice and persona) These people have taken to the “hate Da for no reason” narrative. I find that as picking low hanging fruit. This dude literally crushes DA and his cohort does as well. But only because of the host. People are like robots, you tell them something over and over and eventually they’ll believe it! The other has a strong online presence.
 
Rexman100 said:
One more thing, I don’t have belief in DA and Co. I just don’t have disbelief. And I’m not going to go around spewing fact-less negative propaganda. However, if he eventually gives me that reason, then I’ll voice my opinion. How can he be judged based off a year without a Qb and none of his coaches. Give the guy a year with his Qb and coaches. Last year the only thing that DA had that was his own, was the defense, and he delivered. Defense wins championships and is a HUGE piece already in place.
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The Saints defense the last 3 seasons are better than in 2009 except take aways and punishing the QB. Of course they got slapped with bounty gate for the later but I think that was a load of BS. The defense now is certainly better than most of the defenses Brees had at his disposal and better than any defense that Derek Carr has had around him (By a long shot) I see a few needs mainly on the Oline and DT positions but I have no doubt those will be addressed before the season starts. Folks act like the Saints are completely hobbled but that was mainly the injuries that they have had more than their share of the last two seasons. Let's hope for a bit of luck in that area this time around. We are due.
 
Chopper Man said:
The Saints defense the last 3 seasons are better than in 2009 except take aways and punishing the QB. Of course they got slapped with bounty gate for the later but I think that was a load of BS. The defense now is certainly better than most of the defenses Brees had at his disposal and better than any defense that Derek Carr has had around him (By a long shot) I see a few needs mainly on the Oline and DT positions but I have no doubt those will be addressed before the season starts. Folks act like the Saints are completely hobbled but that was mainly the injuries that they have had more than their share of the last two seasons. Let's hope for a bit of luck in that area this time around. We are due.
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Agreed 100%.
Back in 2009 the only way we were able to pressure the Qb was via blitz. Now we’re easily getting pressure with 4.

Injury: When Lattimore was out we lost. Plain and simple. You have to have your best players available at all times. “The best ability …… right.”

I truly believe that the defense vibes off of the offense to some extent. That could explain why our d finished strong. A defense is more likely to get a critical three and out if they are in the game. If they are down by 30 that same D is probably not too motivated to give it their best. Of course there are some outliers where the defense was the identity of the team, like the Ray Lewis Ravens D and Seattles Legion of Boom. Insert any d that has its own nickname Ie “dome patrol“ and they’ll fit the outlier definition.
 
Chopper Man said:
The Saints defense the last 3 seasons are better than in 2009 except take aways and punishing the QB.
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"Except takeaways and getting to the QB"?

Did you actually realize what you are typing here. I'm not sure what your definition of "better" is but mine is different.

Yards allowed, no doubt, last years D at 315 yds per game, 2009 - 357 per game.....

IMO yards allowed is really the least important stat, the more important stats are.....

Scoring defense - 2022 we gave up 20.3 points per game, 2009 we gave up 21.3 points per game......1 point difference, a difference but not staggering......by any means....

Takeaways is what puts the 2009 D over the top and IMO better than the 2022 defense.

The 2009 D led us to a +11 turnover ratio (which should have been higher, I didn't realize we turned it over so much on offense - 16 fumbles, 28 total). The 39 total turnovers led the NFL, at almost 3 per game.

Those turnovers directly led to multiple victories, in 9 games we had 3 or more defensive turnovers....all wins, the only games we didn't get turnovers were both losses (the Dallas game that broke the 13 game streak and the Carolina game where we rested a ton of starters).

The 2022 D led us to a -11 turnover ratio (the offense turned it over 25 times, actually less than 2009) and generated an anemic 14 total turnovers less than 1 per game....

You can argue, to some extent, that the game has changed but the 2009 team defense clearly was a ball hawking D that changed many games and gave the offense more opportunities.....the 2022 D, while very stingy giving up yards, gave up 20.3 points a game (a total of 1 less than the 2009) without really generating any meaningful turnovers for most of the season.....

2022 Defense better than the 2009? Not a chance.....IMO.....
 
sfidc3 said:
"Except takeaways and getting to the QB"?

Did you actually realize what you are typing here. I'm not sure what your definition of "better" is but mine is different.

Yards allowed, no doubt, last years D at 315 yds per game, 2009 - 357 per game.....

IMO yards allowed is really the least important stat, the more important stats are.....

Scoring defense - 2022 we gave up 20.3 points per game, 2009 we gave up 21.3 points per game......1 point difference, a difference but not staggering......by any means....

Takeaways is what puts the 2009 D over the top and IMO better than the 2022 defense.

The 2009 D led us to a +11 turnover ratio (which should have been higher, I didn't realize we turned it over so much on offense - 16 fumbles, 28 total). The 39 total turnovers led the NFL, at almost 3 per game.

Those turnovers directly led to multiple victories, in 9 games we had 3 or more defensive turnovers....all wins, the only games we didn't get turnovers were both losses (the Dallas game that broke the 13 game streak and the Carolina game where we rested a ton of starters).

The 2022 D led us to a -11 turnover ratio (the offense turned it over 25 times, actually less than 2009) and generated an anemic 14 total turnovers less than 1 per game....

You can argue, to some extent, that the game has changed but the 2009 team defense clearly was a ball hawking D that changed many games and gave the offense more opportunities.....the 2022 D, while very stingy giving up yards, gave up 20.3 points a game (a total of 1 less than the 2009) without really generating any meaningful turnovers for most of the season.....

2022 Defense better than the 2009? Not a chance.....IMO.....
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I said last 3 years not 2022. Really I should have said since 2018 and to be clear the statistic I value above all others for a defense is the opponents offensive points per game. If Brees wasn't a scoring machine who knows what would have happened that season. In 2022 the average was up a bit from previous seasons but still only 18.5 points scored allowed per game over the entire season against our defense. In 2009 our defense ranked 20th in that vital area allowing 21.3 points per game over the entire season.

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There are people on this forum that will tell you the sky is red, and no matter how much evidence you show them that it clearly isn’t, they will refuse to change their stance just for the sake of continuing the argument and avoiding conceding defeat.

It’s amazing. 😂
 
Chopper Man said:
I said last 3 years not 2022. Really I should have said since 2018 and to be clear the statistic I value above all others for a defense is the opponents offensive points per game. If Brees wasn't a scoring machine who knows what would have happened that season. In 2022 the average was up a bit from previous seasons but still only 18.5 points scored allowed per game over the entire season against our defense. In 2009 our defense ranked 20th in that vital area allowing 21.3 points per game over the entire season.

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I guess I'm trying to understand why the 2018-20 defenses are relevant here, the roster has changed considerably since then.....

And I'm not sure where the 18.5 points allowed comes from....all the data I've found has the figure at 20.3 points per game. Can you show me the source of that number?

Takeaways are very, very important also and last year's D was abysmal in that area.....
 

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