Draft or Trade Down (5 Viewers)

[saintfan-n-alexla]

personally im for trading down if value is there,

dont draft QB or RB at 9 - our line isnt good enough yet to draft that high at those positions


another position at 9 if player is #9 talent is ok , need impact on defense and at WR

 

[LoE]

We're not going to the Superbowl in 2025 anyway. I consider it a lost year.

Give the new coach a clean salary cap and a boatload of high draft picks for 2026/2027. Trade back. Especially for future picks.

As another member mentioned, there's no point getting 20 draft picks this year then having to cut them after camp.

 

[Jesse Custer]

The Eagles formula is the one to emulate.

"Wait for Mickey to call with a boneheaded offer" isn't going to work well for us.

 

[Elvis]

personally im for trading down if value is there,

dont draft QB or RB at 9 - our line isnt good enough yet to draft that high at those positions


another position at 9 if player is #9 talent is ok , need impact on defense and at WR

I mostly agree. But if one of the top 2 QBs falls to the 9th pick and CKM likes them and thinks they can start for 4 years than grab them. While paying so little for a QB you can do A LOT of other things to the roster. But otherwise I agree trade down for more picks and definitely down grab a RB at 9.

 

[RaginCajun83]

There’s so many positions that need an upgrade that I hope they trade down to accumulate more picks doubt it happens

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Trading down value in part depends on how many players in this draft teams have marked with 1st round talent. Last I read, most teams had only about 12 players with 1st round talent. Teams aren't going to place value to trade to the top of 2nd round talent. It just doesn't happen as its horrible value for price. Forget about the "top 10 pick" talk. It's all about what teams grade.

So, we sit at 9. If there are only 12 players marked with first grade talent, just how many players actually have top 10 talent? I don't know the answer but I highly doubt its 9. So chances are, the amount of teams willing to trade up for 9 might be zero. And even if there are some, the chances they will give us a good value for the pick is incredibly diminished. Given the state of first round talent vs top 10 talent, its quite possible we have a team in the low 20's offer nothing but a 3rd or 4th.

At that point, trading down seems absolutely silly when comparing to who may be on the board still.

Given this state, I think its pretty much guaranteed that Graham, Adbul, Campbell and McMillan will be off the board. Likely even Warren, Jeanty and Grant as well unless a run on QB's occur, which may not because Ward and Sanders are the top two options and they both look terrible (Not Ward as much, he just doesn't look "good").

The more I think on it, the more I see an opportunity for Dart to be the 1st QB off the board if he puts up a strong combine compared to Sanders and Ward.

NFL draft prospects with a true Round 1 grade: Why these 12 players are first-rounders, plus comps

We'll see 32 picks in Round 1 in April, but which prospects are actually graded as first-rounders? We named 12 and made pro comps for each standout.

www.espn.com

 

[RaginCajun83]

Trading down value in part depends on how many players in this draft teams have marked with 1st round talent. Last I read, most teams had only about 12 players with 1st round talent. Teams aren't going to place value to trade to the top of 2nd round talent. It just doesn't happen as its horrible value for price. Forget about the "top 10 pick" talk. It's all about what teams grade.

So, we sit at 9. If there are only 12 players marked with first grade talent, just how many players actually have top 10 talent? I don't know the answer but I highly doubt its 9. So chances are, the amount of teams willing to trade up for 9 might be zero. And even if there are some, the chances they will give us a good value for the pick is incredibly diminished. Given the state of first round talent vs top 10 talent, its quite possible we have a team in the low 20's offer nothing but a 3rd or 4th.

At that point, trading down seems absolutely silly.

NFL draft prospects with a true Round 1 grade: Why these 12 players are first-rounders, plus comps

We'll see 32 picks in Round 1 in April, but which prospects are actually graded as first-rounders? We named 12 and made pro comps for each standout.

www.espn.com

If Jeanty is there I say fleece the Cowboys for as much as the Saints could possibly get

 

[Ti Rider]

Not rain on anyone’s parade but I’ve watched every Saints draft since Loomis was promoted from Randy Mueller’s salary cap guru to General Manager and I’m pretty sure under his leadership the Saints have never traded down in the first round. If anything he’s far more likely to trade up to get the player he’s targeted. Not saying it can never happen but it’s highly unlikely given Loomis’ history.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

If Jeanty is there I say fleece the Cowboys for as much as the Saints could possibly get

Despite how much fun we make of Jerry Jones, the guy isn't an idiot. Let's not forget that although the Cowboys always fall short of media expectations, they're constantly in the playoff race, and more often then not making the playoffs.

You don't do that as a owner who's also a GM being a moron and getting fleeced.

 

[jboss]

If Jeanty is there I say fleece the Cowboys for as much as the Saints could possibly get

Trading 9 for 12 would probably only net us a 3rd, maybe a 2nd with trading another pick of ours. At that point taking Jeanty's probably more valuable for us.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Not rain on anyone’s parade but I’ve watched every Saints draft since Loomis was promoted from Randy Mueller’s salary cap guru to General Manager and I’m pretty sure under his leadership the Saints have never traded down in the first round. If anything he’s far more likely to trade up to get the player he’s targeted. Not saying it can never happen but it’s highly unlikely given Loomis’ history.

I think that's less about Loomis getting what he wants and more about Loomis getting the head coach what they're asking for. If Moore comes in and wants to acquire more capitol, I think Loomis obliges.

Loomis's biggest job (and may be the only thing he does regarding draft) is to ensure value.

 

[blackjack]

Not rain on anyone’s parade but I’ve watched every Saints draft since Loomis was promoted from Randy Mueller’s salary cap guru to General Manager and I’m pretty sure under his leadership the Saints have never traded down in the first round. If anything he’s far more likely to trade up to get the player he’s targeted. Not saying it can never happen but it’s highly unlikely given Loomis’ history.

In past years we could have the number 2 pick overall and still try to trade up. Keep hope alive that we’ll see it happen one day.

 

[Treybad]

We still have the combine and pro days not only is there a chance for someone to move up into rd1 talent, there is the chance someone we all think is a shoe in for rd1 talent to fall back into rd2 talent

Just hope we have a big board and stick to it even it means passing up some of our biggest needs rather draft players that make the team over players that are cut before next year's draft

 

[DSnfla]

Trading down value in part depends on how many players in this draft teams have marked with 1st round talent. Last I read, most teams had only about 12 players with 1st round talent. Teams aren't going to place value to trade to the top of 2nd round talent. It just doesn't happen as its horrible value for price. Forget about the "top 10 pick" talk. It's all about what teams grade.

So, we sit at 9. If there are only 12 players marked with first grade talent, just how many players actually have top 10 talent? I don't know the answer but I highly doubt its 9. So chances are, the amount of teams willing to trade up for 9 might be zero. And even if there are some, the chances they will give us a good value for the pick is incredibly diminished. Given the state of first round talent vs top 10 talent, its quite possible we have a team in the low 20's offer nothing but a 3rd or 4th.

At that point, trading down seems absolutely silly when comparing to who may be on the board still.

Given this state, I think its pretty much guaranteed that Graham, Adbul, Campbell and McMillan will be off the board. Likely even Warren, Jeanty and Grant as well unless a run on QB's occur, which may not because Ward and Sanders are the top two options and they both look terrible (Not Ward as much, he just doesn't look "good").

The more I think on it, the more I see an opportunity for Dart to be the 1st QB off the board if he puts up a strong combine compared to Sanders and Ward.

NFL draft prospects with a true Round 1 grade: Why these 12 players are first-rounders, plus comps

We'll see 32 picks in Round 1 in April, but which prospects are actually graded as first-rounders? We named 12 and made pro comps for each standout.

www.espn.com

Every yr the draft does not go like the mocks. And we sit here before the combine and the pro days. Some players that were not projected high will go high, some players will drop. Some teams will trade up for a player they love . If Carter , T-Mac and Graham are gone there will be a team that falls in love with a player that they think will be gone by the time they pick.

For us if those 3 players are gone I'd want Warren but not @ 9 I would no be opposed to Jeanty but also not @ 9, So if even if we just got a 3 from the Cowboys to move down to 12 so they could take Jeanty I'd do it and take Warren. If that were not available I'd try and get a 2nd and maybe a 3rd to move down to about 20 and take Grant.

The value in this draft is in the late 1st , 2nd and 3rd rnds not so much at the top . Picking up more day 2 picks will help the team more than sitting @ 9 if the 3 players I mentioned are gone

 

[DSnfla]

Not rain on anyone’s parade but I’ve watched every Saints draft since Loomis was promoted from Randy Mueller’s salary cap guru to General Manager and I’m pretty sure under his leadership the Saints have never traded down in the first round. If anything he’s far more likely to trade up to get the player he’s targeted. Not saying it can never happen but it’s highly unlikely given Loomis’ history.

It really is not Loomis making those trade up calls, It's what Payton and DA wanted. Loomis what just getting the players they wanted.
Also it's been widely reported that we had a deal in place to trade down with the Rams had Bowers been available when we picked, but LV took him just before us. So this " ML does not trade down" mindset is off base