Elon Musk makes $43 Billion offer for private buyout of Twitter (20 Viewers)

[Madmarsha]

Now this is rich and funny. The mods in here always have to let their leanings shine through.
Sorry X/Musk decided not to bend the knee anymore to the administration and let them decide what is dis/mis information and what they wanted promoted/hidden. MSM is on life support and just continues to be exposed. The total repudiation should be obvious now, but I doubt folks learn.

To continue with my questions from my last post. What is "fact checking"? That was a thing that meant something that no longer does. Now it's really only "feelings checking" or "emotions checking" so that I can "protect" you.

 

[efil4stnias]

Sorry X/Musk decided not to bend the knee anymore to the administration and let them decide what is dis/mis information and what they wanted promoted/hidden.

And its a cesspool.

a $44b cesspool.

FTR, deciding what is mis/disinfo is easy. So is identifying hate speech.

Its juts that Elon/X has the luxury of hiding behind "but maH FrEE SpEECh" to promote/amplify his own leanings.

 

[Madmarsha]

FTR, deciding what is mis/disinfo is easy. So is identifying hate speech.

For yourself it is. Just don't do it for me.

I think both Jack Dorsey and Vijaya Gadde meant well, but I also think they thought "meaning well" meant it wasn't censorship. Some people thought what they did was a good thing. I think it smacked of, I know better than you.

 

[bigdaddysaints]

Charlie Warzel is a tech writer who has been covering Twitter/X for more than a decade - he recently wrote about the growing prevalence of hate and violence on X, and Musk’s tacit embrace and even amplification of some of it, particularly the replacement theory.

To be fair to users, I suspect it’s still possible as Semper said, to have your feed curated in a way that avoids that stuff and gives you what you’re interested in. But the deck is certainly stacked to amplify it.

X Is a White-Supremacist Site

Elon Musk has made one of Twitter’s most glaring problems into a core feature on X.

www.theatlantic.com

yes, but most people don't want to take the time to have to jump through hoops to fix their feed. they'll simply just move on back to Facebook. Its very simpe to cater your Facebook. I can click Feeds>Friends and all i'll see is posts from Friends (with ads sprinkled in) or Fees>Groups and i'll only see posts from the groups i'm in.

 

[efil4stnias]

For yourself it is. Just don't do it for me.

how is moderating/identifying hate speech or disinformation "doing it FOR you"?

if you dont see it, did it ever exist?

 

[superchuck500]

yes, but most people don't want to take the time to have to jump through hoops to fix their feed. they'll simply just move on back to Facebook. Its very simpe to cater your Facebook. I can click Feeds>Friends and all i'll see is posts from Friends (with ads sprinkled in) or Fees>Groups and i'll only see posts from the groups i'm in.

Threads is the best alternative to Twitter/X that I have seen. It functions very similarly and is similar in concept. Facebook still is a different kind of platform.

For example, still most of my interaction on Facebook is with friends and family, and some with groups im in, but not many. Whereas on Twitter or Threads, it’s totally irrelevant (or even undesirable) if I know the people I’m interacting with – or the stuff I’m engaging with.

 

[Madmarsha]

how is moderating/identifying hate speech or disinformation "doing it FOR you"?

Well, that's an invitation to a merry go round of things that have been said a million times so let me say this. I don't want it done FOR me so that I can see it coming when it's not just speech.

 

[efil4stnias]

Well, that's an invitation to a merry go round of things that have been said a million times so let me say this. I don't want it done FOR me so that I can see it coming when it's not just speech.

so you want to see it coming when it graduates from speech to action.

Id argue that if the folks who held those beliefs had no platform to coalesce and get frothy and coordinate, there would be no action to worry about.

These fringe folk have existed for centuries. Only now have a public place to congregate and share, while pulling in more meek-minded individuals, amassing a following that would have never happened if it werent for the platform itself.

Again, if the hate speech is removed, it never happened. 1000s of eyes never see it and no opportunity to amplify/engender others that may be easily manipulated.

 

[SaintInBucLand]

For yourself it is. Just don't do it for me.

Mister Rogers and the little boy from Kindergarten Cop would be considered hate speech by many today lol

 

[Madmarsha]

so you want to see it coming when it graduates from speech to action.

Id argue that if the folks who held those beliefs had no platform to coalesce and get frothy and coordinate, there would be no action to worry about.

These fringe folk have existed for centuries. Only now have a public place to congregate and share, while pulling in more meek-minded individuals, amassing a following that would have never happened if it werent for the platform itself.

Again, if the hate speech is removed, it never happened. 1000s of eyes never see it and no opportunity to amplify/engender others that may be easily manipulated.

So, it exists because of hate speech on the internet yet the fringe folk have also existed for centuries. I'm getting dizzy on that merry go round.

 

[St. Widge]

No but I like deciding what hate is for myself. You have other people deciding that for you, you've given up agency. What offends my sensibilities will be the same as yours for some things .... but not all. Therein lies the conflict.

For example, you're a man. Some people find it offensive you exist no matter what kind of man you are. I would assume that that's something you don't agree with.

That's fair, but I think it's pretty clear that actual Neo-Nazis count as hate to anyone that is not an actual Neo-Nazi.

That being said, Elon is welcome to have Neo-Nazis on Twitter, but it's probably not going to help the advertising dollars.

 

[Madmarsha]

Mister Rogers and the little boy from Kindergarten Cop would be considered hate speech by many today lol

I mean, I wouldn't go that far. But who is the little boy from Kindergarten Cop?

 

[St. Widge]

When you are only reading other people's opinions to inform yours, you have no opinions. This is why I never liked Twitter (cos it's Twitter, it's not X). I am "on" it but hardly ever read it. Never post. And mostly "follow" sports.

I don't think anyone should blindly follow anything you read, but you can be informed on other points of view from reading the opinions of others. You can then either choose to accept or reject those opinions of fall somewhere in between. But, I don't see how reading the opinions of others is a bad thing.

 

[Madmarsha]

That's fair, but I think it's pretty clear that actual Neo-Nazis count as hate to anyone that is not an actual Neo-Nazi.

I don't disagree with that in the least. But, again, I've decided that for myself. I didn't ask you to tell me who the neo nazi is. Because, conversely, what if you tell me explicitly someone is NOT a neo nazi but they actually are? Does that help me to listen to you then if you turn out to be wrong? Nope.

 

[bigdaddysaints]

so you want to see it coming when it graduates from speech to action.

Id argue that if the folks who held those beliefs had no platform to coalesce and get frothy and coordinate, there would be no action to worry about.

These fringe folk have existed for centuries. Only now have a public place to congregate and share, while pulling in more meek-minded individuals, amassing a following that would have never happened if it werent for the platform itself.

Again, if the hate speech is removed, it never happened. 1000s of eyes never see it and no opportunity to amplify/engender others that may be easily manipulated.

to Musk there is no Hate Speech, only "Free Speech"

Mister Rogers and the little boy from Kindergarten Cop would be considered hate speech by many today lol

i assume you are saying it "jokingly" but we all know you are beig serious.
way too many people are in defense of hate groups.. you would nothing more than to weaken the defenition of hate groups.
someone not liking Mr Rodgers or the "boy have a penis" kid is not the same as Neo Nazis and KKK. no matter how hard you want to try...