Expect the Saints to show interest in Chiefs OC Matt Nagy for HC per Dianna Russini

[Saints 318]

Are we really this dumb of an organization

 

[Eeyore]

I think people will be less enraged if it’s anyone other than Nagy.

Honestly the mere fact that we have “interest” in that guy after we just got done with the DA disaster is concerning.

Now if we are bringing him in to be OC, and if he can bring Andy Reid with him, then sign me up.

He's the oc of a team that's scoring is down.

They were averaging about 29 points per game until he got there. They've averaged 24 points since

 

[St. Geezy]

He's the oc of a team that's scoring is down.

They were averaging about 29 points per game until he got there. They've averaged 24 points since

They have personnel and health issues. Besides, Andy Reid is still there.

 

[St. Widge]

So, based on all the crying about even having an "interest" in Nagy, I assumed he had a terrible record as the HC in Chicago. But, it turns out that he was 34-31 with a 12-4 season, two 8-8 seasons, and one 6-11 season with Trubisky and rookie Fields as his QBs.

I don't think that should make him the front runner for the job, but it certainly takes him out of the category of too terrible to even consider interviewing and dumb for even considering it.

This is a former NFL HC with a winning record whose only losing season was with rookie Justin Fields who was downright terrible.

What am I missing here?

 

[El Caliente]

Less enraged, maybe, but still enraged.

I think this whole every coach that lost a job is DA narrative is strange. I mean, lots of coaches do fail in one job and go on to be good coaches in their next job. The list is long and starts with Belichick. Maybe there is no other reason for Nagy getting fired other than his own incompetence, but I think it's dumb to eliminate all coaches who lost a job. I mean, that eliminates Vrable, Flores, and everyone else that isn't currently an OC or DC that never got a shot as a HC.

It’s true, Vrabel and Flores were fired, but that’s the only thing that they have in common with Nagy.

Both of them built systems that they could hang their hats on. Flores is a top notch DC. Vrabel had a solid culture in Tennessee, and he was let go due to a power struggle.

Nagy hasn’t even proven to be a competent OC as Andy Reid calls the plays on offense. As a coach he saw his team get worse and worse with each passing year. Nobody knows if he has learned from his past failure because he went back to a comfortable place in KC, where little is expected of him.

I don’t know why anyone would consider him after his prior crash landing, and our recent failure with DA.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

Or another young QB. It will be interesting to see if they keep Carr, cut Carr and go with Rattler, or cut Carr and sign someone like Fields, Daniel Jones, Darnold, or Zach Wilson as reclamation projects. But I think/hope that will be up to the next HC.

Keep Carr, but the days of thinking you can maximize him w/ the right scheme are over.

However, he’s still your projected starter in 25, honoring Kubiak’s contract makes sense.

 

[St. Widge]

It’s true, Vrabel and Flores were fired, but that’s the only thing that they have in common with Nagy.

Both of them built systems that they could hang their hats on. Flores is a top notch DC. Vrabel had a solid culture in Tennessee, and he was let go due to a power struggle.

Nagy hasn’t even proven to be a competent OC as Andy Reid calls the plays on offense. As a coach he saw his team get worse and worse with each passing year. Nobody knows if he has learned from his past failure because he went back to a comfortable place in KC, where little is expected of him.

I don’t know why anyone would consider him after his prior crash landing, and our recent failure with DA.

I just don't see how you can think Flores should be an option and Nagy isn't even good enough to be interviewed and it is dumb to even have interest.

Flores flamed out in Miami, never made the playoffs, and was only 24-25 in his career. But, I still think Flores should be interviewed. because he got a raw deal in Miami and I like his defensive scheme. I kind of feel the same about Kingsbury. If I compare that to Nagy, I don't see the huge difference. He's worth an interview here and if the below article is to be believed he's going to get several HC interviews this year.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...king-case-to-get-second-chance-as-head-coach/

So, what did he do wrong in Chicago that means he's a terrible HC despite his record there and Chicago's only two playoff appearances since 2011?

 

[Saint Jack]

I’d rather be a Falcons fan than have Nagy coach this team.

Yeah…going to the 28-3 franchise is SUCH a better option.

 

[El Caliente]

Yeah…going to the 28-3 franchise is SUCH a better option.

Than hiring Matt Nagy?

Yeah. It is.

 

[Saint Jack]

Than hiring Matt Nagy?

Yeah. It is.

Then going to the franchise that’s only known as a choker?
Say what you want about the Saints.
But they’ve won. They have a Lombardi in the case.
They’re now getting players/coaches associated with that championship run into the Hall.
And that’s more that what the Falcons have ever done.

The best era of Falcons football is overshadowed by Brees/Payton.

 

[El Caliente]

I just don't see how you can think Flores should be an option and Nagy isn't even good enough to be interviewed and it is dumb to even have interest.

Flores flamed out in Miami, never made the playoffs, and was only 24-25 in his career. But, I still think Flores should be interviewed. because he got a raw deal in Miami and I like his defensive scheme. I kind of feel the same about Kingsbury. If I compare that to Nagy, I don't see the huge difference. He's worth an interview here and if the below article is to be believed he's going to get several HC interviews this year.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...king-case-to-get-second-chance-as-head-coach/

So, what did he do wrong in Chicago that means he's a terrible HC despite his record there and Chicago's only two playoff appearances since 2011?

Flores is running Minnesota’s defense right now, and even after losing talent this offseason like Daniel Hunter, they are still performing at a high level. His time in Miami was full of internal strife that the owner flamed on. I can’t blame Flores for Stephen Ross being an idiot.

In each of his 3 years in Miami the team got better. His final season was full of problems (see Stephen Ross), but they still managed to go 9-8. He was ascending while Nagy was descending. There is a difference.

I wouldn’t want Kliff either. Washington fans are growing tired of his offense being figured out by their opponents. I would want to see another year of him as OC before I would feel comfortable with him. That is another career head coaching loser.

I wouldn’t hate him as an OC, but that guy was a loser at Texas Tech and then again in AZ. There is also the idea that folks around here throw around that college coaches make bad NFL coaches (which is a bit absurd), and there is very little to get excited about with him either.

To be honest with you, I’m a bit dubious of Bill’s success as a head coach. Like the Mickey Loomis of the sideline, if you take away what made them special (Tom Brady for Bill, Drew and Sean for Mickey), and what does he really have to hang his hat on? Meanwhile Tom and Sean have gone on to find success for different teams.

I’m willing to keep an open mind about who we hire, but retread would have to be if the Veabel/Flores variety, where circumstances and clashing with upper management did them in, and not having a bad product on the field.

 

[El Caliente]

Then going to the franchise that’s only known as a choker?
Say what you want about the Saints.
But they’ve won. They have a Lombardi in the case.
They’re now getting players/coaches associated with that championship run into the Hall.
And that’s more that what the Falcons have ever done.

The best era of Falcons football is overshadowed by Brees/Payton.

I’m not disputing any of that. I’m saying hiring Matt Nagy would be the very thing that breaks my will as a Saints fan.

 

[St. Widge]

Flores is running Minnesota’s defense right now, and even after losing talent this offseason like Daniel Hunter, they are still performing at a much level. His time in Miami was full of internal strife that the owner imposed. I can’t blame Flores for Stephen Ross being an idiot.

In each of his 3 years in Miami the team got better. His final season was full of problems (see Stephen Ross), but they still managed to go 9-8. He was ascending while Nagy was descending. There is a difference.

I wouldn’t want Kliff either. Washington fans are growing tired of his offense being figured out by their opponents. I would want to see another year of him as OC before I would feel comfortable with him. That is another career head coaching loser.

I wouldn’t hate him as an OC, but that guy was a loser at Texas Tech and then again in AZ. There is also the idea that folks around here throw around that college coaches make bad NFL coaches (which is a bit absurd), and there is very little to get excited about with him either.

To be honest with you, I’m a bit dubious of Bill’s success as a head coach. Like the Mickey Loomis of the sideline, if you take away what made them special (Tom Brady for Bill, Drew and Sean for Mickey), and what does he really have to hang his hat on? Meanwhile Tom and Sean have gone on to find success for different teams.

I’m willing to keep an open mind about who we hire, but retread would have to be if the Veabel/Flores variety, where circumstances and clashing with upper management did them in, and not having a bad product on the field.

That's cool. But what is it that Nagy did that means he is a bad coach? Is it just one bad year with a really bad rookie QB? Or did he do something really bad that lead to them losing? Because on the surface he had a winning record and two playoff appearances with two bad to terrible QBs.

 

[Goatman Saint]

Nagy? Good lord. Next thing you know is they will want to rehire Mike Ditka