Expect the Saints to show interest in Chiefs OC Matt Nagy for HC per Dianna Russini (4 Viewers)

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El Caliente said:
It’s true, Vrabel and Flores were fired, but that’s the only thing that they have in common with Nagy.

Both of them built systems that they could hang their hats on. Flores is a top notch DC. Vrabel had a solid culture in Tennessee, and he was let go due to a power struggle.

Nagy hasn’t even proven to be a competent OC as Andy Reid calls the plays on offense. As a coach he saw his team get worse and worse with each passing year. Nobody knows if he has learned from his past failure because he went back to a comfortable place in KC, where little is expected of him.

I don’t know why anyone would consider him after his prior crash landing, and our recent failure with DA.
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I just don't see how you can think Flores should be an option and Nagy isn't even good enough to be interviewed and it is dumb to even have interest.

Flores flamed out in Miami, never made the playoffs, and was only 24-25 in his career. But, I still think Flores should be interviewed. because he got a raw deal in Miami and I like his defensive scheme. I kind of feel the same about Kingsbury. If I compare that to Nagy, I don't see the huge difference. He's worth an interview here and if the below article is to be believed he's going to get several HC interviews this year.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...king-case-to-get-second-chance-as-head-coach/

So, what did he do wrong in Chicago that means he's a terrible HC despite his record there and Chicago's only two playoff appearances since 2011?
 
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El Caliente said:
Than hiring Matt Nagy?

Yeah. It is.
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Then going to the franchise that’s only known as a choker?
Say what you want about the Saints.
But they’ve won. They have a Lombardi in the case.
They’re now getting players/coaches associated with that championship run into the Hall.
And that’s more that what the Falcons have ever done.

The best era of Falcons football is overshadowed by Brees/Payton.
 
St. Widge said:
I just don't see how you can think Flores should be an option and Nagy isn't even good enough to be interviewed and it is dumb to even have interest.

Flores flamed out in Miami, never made the playoffs, and was only 24-25 in his career. But, I still think Flores should be interviewed. because he got a raw deal in Miami and I like his defensive scheme. I kind of feel the same about Kingsbury. If I compare that to Nagy, I don't see the huge difference. He's worth an interview here and if the below article is to be believed he's going to get several HC interviews this year.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...king-case-to-get-second-chance-as-head-coach/

So, what did he do wrong in Chicago that means he's a terrible HC despite his record there and Chicago's only two playoff appearances since 2011?
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Flores is running Minnesota’s defense right now, and even after losing talent this offseason like Daniel Hunter, they are still performing at a high level. His time in Miami was full of internal strife that the owner flamed on. I can’t blame Flores for Stephen Ross being an idiot.

In each of his 3 years in Miami the team got better. His final season was full of problems (see Stephen Ross), but they still managed to go 9-8. He was ascending while Nagy was descending. There is a difference.

I wouldn’t want Kliff either. Washington fans are growing tired of his offense being figured out by their opponents. I would want to see another year of him as OC before I would feel comfortable with him. That is another career head coaching loser.

I wouldn’t hate him as an OC, but that guy was a loser at Texas Tech and then again in AZ. There is also the idea that folks around here throw around that college coaches make bad NFL coaches (which is a bit absurd), and there is very little to get excited about with him either.

To be honest with you, I’m a bit dubious of Bill’s success as a head coach. Like the Mickey Loomis of the sideline, if you take away what made them special (Tom Brady for Bill, Drew and Sean for Mickey), and what does he really have to hang his hat on? Meanwhile Tom and Sean have gone on to find success for different teams.

I’m willing to keep an open mind about who we hire, but retread would have to be if the Veabel/Flores variety, where circumstances and clashing with upper management did them in, and not having a bad product on the field.
 
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Saint Jack said:
Then going to the franchise that’s only known as a choker?
Say what you want about the Saints.
But they’ve won. They have a Lombardi in the case.
They’re now getting players/coaches associated with that championship run into the Hall.
And that’s more that what the Falcons have ever done.

The best era of Falcons football is overshadowed by Brees/Payton.
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I’m not disputing any of that. I’m saying hiring Matt Nagy would be the very thing that breaks my will as a Saints fan.
 
El Caliente said:
Flores is running Minnesota’s defense right now, and even after losing talent this offseason like Daniel Hunter, they are still performing at a much level. His time in Miami was full of internal strife that the owner imposed. I can’t blame Flores for Stephen Ross being an idiot.

In each of his 3 years in Miami the team got better. His final season was full of problems (see Stephen Ross), but they still managed to go 9-8. He was ascending while Nagy was descending. There is a difference.

I wouldn’t want Kliff either. Washington fans are growing tired of his offense being figured out by their opponents. I would want to see another year of him as OC before I would feel comfortable with him. That is another career head coaching loser.

I wouldn’t hate him as an OC, but that guy was a loser at Texas Tech and then again in AZ. There is also the idea that folks around here throw around that college coaches make bad NFL coaches (which is a bit absurd), and there is very little to get excited about with him either.

To be honest with you, I’m a bit dubious of Bill’s success as a head coach. Like the Mickey Loomis of the sideline, if you take away what made them special (Tom Brady for Bill, Drew and Sean for Mickey), and what does he really have to hang his hat on? Meanwhile Tom and Sean have gone on to find success for different teams.

I’m willing to keep an open mind about who we hire, but retread would have to be if the Veabel/Flores variety, where circumstances and clashing with upper management did them in, and not having a bad product on the field.
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That's cool. But what is it that Nagy did that means he is a bad coach? Is it just one bad year with a really bad rookie QB? Or did he do something really bad that lead to them losing? Because on the surface he had a winning record and two playoff appearances with two bad to terrible QBs.
 
St. Geezy said:
I get the feeling people will complain no matter who gets hired if the person’s name isn’t Ben Johnson or Joe Brady.

Complaining seems to be the order of the day (months).
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People complain about the Saints winning and sacrificing a higher draft pick but still complain when the lose.
 
St. Widge said:
I guess I need to get used to people totally over reacting every time someone says the Saints have an "interest in", are "looking at", "would like to talk to", "may want to talk to", "may have interest in", etc. any coach that someone on here doesn't like.

People complained that last time they didn't interview enough people and are now whining any time someone connected to the Saints, Payton, DA, or Loomis is talked about as a potential candidate. If you are going to cast a wide net in interviews, you are going to interview several guys that fans aren't going to like. Some of those interviews are real. Some are favors to agents so that it's easier to deal with them on player contracts in the future. Some of them are to pick the brains of other coaches about what is wrong with what your team is doing.
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The level of NFL knowledge and just understanding of how a HC search goes by posters on this board has so dropped lately. This enamoring of any 1yr OC mild success is just laughable. Just because a HC was fired and especially from a BAD organization he according to some people on here is a cancer and can't coach anymore. People on here did up some Youtube wannabe expert to cite why he's a bad coach and do no research into what really happened SMH
 
St. Widge said:
That's cool. But what is it that Nagy did that means he is a bad coach? Is it just one bad year with a really bad rookie QB? Or did he do something really bad that lead to them losing? Because on the surface he had a winning record and two playoff appearances with two bad to terrible QBs.
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I would say his drop in wins each year as HC of the Bears is the reason I don't find him to be a good coach.

I wonder what he has done well that would lead someone to believe that he would be worth talking to about our upcoming HC vacancy. Is it being the Pete Carmichael to Andy Reid's Sean Payton? Is it being run out of town after 4 years in Chicago (instead of being run out after 3)? A winning record is a stat to look at, but if each year your team is losing more than the year prior, is that something that signals the coach knows what they are doing, or that they have a culture worth repeating elsewhere?

Anyway, I will let you have the floor. I am done discussing a HC option that is a step above Adam Gase.
 
Boy_of_wonder75 said:
Saints fans: We demand you look at coaches outside of the Payton years!

An article suggests the Saints *might* look at Matt Nagy.

Santa fans: Booo! Not like that!

Hopefully, prospective coaches don't have "reasonable fanbase" as an important quality in a head coaching job.
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"Nagy's tenure in Chicago concluded with a 34–31 (.523) record in four seasons, including an 0–2 playoff record" source
 

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