Article Exploring How the Saints Could Trade Up for Cam Ward

[Snakehead]

Because if they think they found their guy then they should do whatever it takes to land him. If Ward is a perfect fit for the kind of offense Moore wants then shouldn't he give up a couple firsts and some other stuff to land him?

We've been in the market for a QB more or less since KC jumped us to land Mahommes. I don't think they liked Love that much and I don't know if Payton saw Jackson as a fit at the time. Pickett was an easy no. Any potential franchise QB we could have traded up for would have made a trade up for Ward seem cheap. Our reclamation projects of Bridgewater and Winston didn't work out. Lost track of how many 3-5th round picks haven't hit. We almost sunk our franchise with Watson. Carr's taken us nowhere despite getting the largest contract in franchise history (but just average for a QB).

You either get stuck in purgatory like Pittsburgh or make the move to land your guy. If it's not for Ward this year I bet they'll do something next year.

I'm watching the Pro Day now. Ward can throw. I'd be all for making a move for Ward to get our QB1 of the future.

 

[RJS]

I clearly stated since 2000, i.e. this century, which goes back 25 years. And again, the post is in the context of trading for a QB inside the 1st 10 overall picks.

Okay I get it. I think going back to 2000 for Super Bowl winners is incredibly skewed by two guys.

Anyway, at the end of the day in the modern NFL you either have a guy at that spot or you don't. Good organizations can even withstand a swing and a miss. Be smart but if they love a guy, go get him. Scared money doesn't make money.

 

[Joodas Avila]

I'm watching the Pro Day now. Ward can throw. I'd be all for making a move for Ward to get our QB1 of the future.

Yeah, Ward’s legit. He can wild out at times, for sure, but he def has that playmaker magic that only the great QBs have. I love the skillset. I believe that Kellen Moore could make that dude ELITE. This is a weaker QB class, but it isnt because of Cam Ward. I mean, he may have been QB4 or 5 last year, but he still wouldve been a 1st RD lock.

 

[Snakehead]

Yeah, Ward’s legit. He can wild out at times, for sure, but he def has that playmaker magic that only the great QBs have. I love the skillset. I believe that Kellen Moore could make that dude ELITE. This is a weaker QB class, but it isnt because of Cam Ward. I mean, he may have been QB4 or 5 last year, but he still wouldve been a 1st RD lock.

His ball has zip and torque. It hits dudes in the hands and sounds like a nice fastball hitting a catchers mitt. He's showed off the different arm angles he can throw from and that's impressive with his quick hands. I doubt Tennessee trades the pick, but who knows.

 

[St. Widge]

NO THANKS, Brady was picked in the 6th round. Brock Purdy dead last as Mr Irrelevant.
we need way to much help to give up that much

Yeah, we should definitely just go ahead and find a HoF QB in the 6th or draft a solid starter in the 7th. I just don't get why more teams don't just do that?

I'm joking and I don't think we should trade what it would take to get Ward this year. But, at some point, we have to start taking QBs higher in the draft. We have been going the mid-to-late round QB picks route since 1981 and it's never worked out. At some point you have to use first or second round picks at QBs or you are constantly hoping someone lets a great QB go, which rarely happens, overpaying for mediocre vets, or you are trying to trade for QBs other teams don't want.

 

[Snakehead]

Arroyo is a big dude.

He looks like a NFL TE in pads without pads on.

 

[JackDiesel]

You could do some research yourself... first search hit I got was an ESPN article from 2021, listing them all to that point in time (according to them).

Between 2000 and 2021, 1st round, top 1-10 picks:

Josh Rosen 10th overall - bust
Mitchell Trubisky 2nd overall - bust
Robert Griffin III 2nd overall (who wasn't a bust really, he got hurt, but still...)
Sam Darnold 3rd overall - bust for the Jets/Panthers/9ers (we'll see with the Seahawks)
Jared Goff 1st overall - Rams/Lions teams so good, they won a lot of games even with him at QB
Trey Lance 3rd overall - bust for the 9ers, on his 3rd team.
Carson Wentz 2nd overall - bust
Blaine Gabbert 10th overall - bust
Mark Sanchez 5th overall - el busto supremo
Michael Vick 1st overall - was doing well, until...

1st round:

Tim Tebow
Kyle Boller
DeShaun Watson
Paxton Lynch
Johnny Manziel
Teddy Bridgewater
Paxton Lynch
Josh Freeman
Brady Quinn
Jay Cutler
Jason Campbell
J.P. Lossman

Before 2000, not pretty either... you got Ryan Leaf, Jeff George, Steve Fuller... Steve Bartkowski...

The only 4 successful QBs that have been part of a draft day trade for a pick in the draft are Josh Allen ( 7th overall, no SB yet), Jordan Love (26th overall, 1 season, got to see more), Lamar Jackson ( 32nd overall, regular season MVP, irrelevant in the playoffs), and Mahomes.

And it gets even uglier when you get out of the first round. Fox Sports ran the numbers already. Until find your franchise QB you need to keep drafting one because the QB purgatory we've been stuck in sucks. Not good enough to win a playoff game but not bad enough to land a top 3 picks.

We're also not talking about letting Dennis Allen trade up to #1 overall to find his QB. We're talking about a brilliant offensive mind and former QB trading up. If he thinks Ward is worth it then chances are he's worth it. Most QB's bust because they are going to a system that doesn't fit them or they aren't mature enough to handle it. We don't have to worry about the system with Moore and they're doing their HW to figure out the maturity question but that's supposed to be a positive with him.

 

[DerrickB]

 

[TruSaint]

cannon

 

[St. Widge]

Better angle:

 

[St. Widge]

cannon

And he did that moving left and looked like he just flicked the ball.

 

[TruSaint]

And he did that moving left and looked like he just flicked the ball.

Reminds me a little of donovan mcnabb.

 

[sammymvpknight]

You could do some research yourself... first search hit I got was an ESPN article from 2021, listing them all to that point in time (according to them).

Between 2000 and 2021, 1st round, top 1-10 picks:

Josh Rosen 10th overall - bust
Mitchell Trubisky 2nd overall - bust
Robert Griffin III 2nd overall (who wasn't a bust really, he got hurt, but still...)
Sam Darnold 3rd overall - bust for the Jets/Panthers/9ers (we'll see with the Seahawks)
Jared Goff 1st overall - Rams/Lions teams so good, they won a lot of games even with him at QB
Trey Lance 3rd overall - bust for the 9ers, on his 3rd team.
Carson Wentz 2nd overall - bust
Blaine Gabbert 10th overall - bust
Mark Sanchez 5th overall - el busto supremo
Michael Vick 1st overall - was doing well, until...

1st round:

Tim Tebow
Kyle Boller
DeShaun Watson
Paxton Lynch
Johnny Manziel
Teddy Bridgewater
Paxton Lynch
Josh Freeman
Brady Quinn
Jay Cutler
Jason Campbell
J.P. Lossman

Before 2000, not pretty either... you got Ryan Leaf, Jeff George, Steve Fuller... Steve Bartkowski...

The only 4 successful QBs that have been part of a draft day trade for a pick in the draft are Josh Allen ( 7th overall, no SB yet), Jordan Love (26th overall, 1 season, got to see more), Lamar Jackson ( 32nd overall, regular season MVP, irrelevant in the playoffs), and Mahomes.

this site lists the 1st rounders over the past 15 years: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...years-from-justin-fields-to-mark-sanchez/amp/

There have been 46 1st rounders. Of that group 15% were “home runs”, 6% were “solid”, with the rest being anywhere from “mixed results” to “busts”. So that is less than a 25% chance of one truly panning out. So your data on trade ups isn’t surprising considering the overall numbers. When looking at the “home run” and “solid” groups, here are the number per draft position:

#1- lllll
#5- l
#6- l
#7- l
#12- l
#32- l

So, eight of the eleven were top 10 picks. Five of the eleven were #1 overall. The probability of a “home run” and “solid” QB from a #1 overall pick is 5 out of 10 (50%). And the lists of disappointments included Bradford who wasn’t bad but career was derailed by injury, Winston who has managed to stay in the league a long time, Darnold who is a starting QB, Mayfield who is a starting QB, and Goff who is a starting QB. Certainly better odds than a random 1st rounder. And when you are looking beyond the 1st round, you might as well be playing lotto.

So, I think you’re looking at it wrong. Look at the players selected #1, which is where Ward is likely to be selected. You’ll see that it’s definitely the highest likelihood of returns. You have to play to win. Right now, Carr/Rattler is a losing hand. I’m not sure that Ward is a winning hand, but certainly the odds are better than Carr/Rattler, and better than anything we would have at #9.

 

[sammymvpknight]

Reminds me a little of donovan mcnabb.

We shouldn’t be having this insane conversation on this forum of whether we should pursue Ward. Of course we should be pursuing Ward. The question is whether we should be wasting our time discussing Ward because the Titans would be nuts for trading him away.