For anyone who says Carr is just a stat padder and don’t win: (22 Viewers)

[Steven G]

The amount of disrespect Carr gets by some of our fans is RIDICULOUS! Yes, he is not an Elite top 5 QB. Those are hard to come by. He is absolutely a better than average, top 15 QB, arguably top 10 when he has the supporting cast. So, he can't put the team on his back and carry to you a championship all by himself. Only a handful of QBs can actually do that. Anyone who think we are going to win more games without him than with him at this point is flat wrong. Maybe we will draft a QB who will take his job, maybe Rattler will grow into a Bonafide franchise QB, but with what is available to the Saints at the moment going into 2025, he is the best QB option we have.

Rattler can’t grow!!!!!

 

[Scorpius the Allfather]

My favorite part of that is 14-13 with

Better than 0-6.

 

[Scorpius the Allfather]

Looked it up, 11 years= 1 playoff appearance, 1 loss

And the Raiders got screwed out of a victory in that game. They should've won.

 

[Scorpius the Allfather]

Trent Dilfer won a SuperBowl. You don't need an elite QB to win a championship but it's just way harder to do it without one. I've never been a huge fan of Carr and when we signed him I was not too excited but the amount of vitriol he gets from some portion of our fanbase is also unwarranted and, quite honestly, disgusting to me. The organization has failed since Payton left. That's the truth of the situation, Carr is a part of that failing but not because of himself rather because the organization has failed to understand their own predicament. I think we'll turn it around but unless we catch lightning in a bottle it won't be overnight.

The amount of vitriol he gets is insane. I get it, people soured on him, but they act like he scammed their Grandma out of her life savings.

 

[44slayer]

He is 15 games under .500 in his 11 year career. He has never won a playoff game.

He does get a whole lot of excuses though.

But, sure, he is the best qb option we have in 25. It doesn’t make him good. After 11 years, if you are nearly a full season under .500, you are what your record says you are. And what he needs to be good, is above average skill players, at every position. And a top 10 o line. Which we won’t have in 25.

I think we will likely be picked to finish last in the NFC South in 25. We are 1 game better than Carolina this season and split with them. Theyve at least been competing the last 8 weeks (6 out of 8 they either won or were within 1 score) and Bryce Young is at least showing something. 25 is a necessary evil we have to go through, a sacrificial year to rebuild the franchise. I just don’t know if it really matters if it’s Derek Carr or Heath Shuler under center.

 

[IlovemySaints]

The amount of vitriol he gets is insane. I get it, people soured on him, but they act like he scammed their Grandma out of her life savings.

If she a season ticket holder he did

 

[webster]

….which I hear a lot. This is now 0-6 without him, 12.5, 195, and -6. You’re telling me there isn’t a huge difference between being .500+ instead of 0’fer? Yeah, he’s not DB9, but who is? Thats never gonna happen again.

I don’t think there are many that will argue Carr is head and shoulders over the teams backup qbs. DA was crazy going into the season with no viable backup qbs. I don’t see the next coach making a mistake like this again.

 

[DSnfla]

He is 15 games under .500 in his 11 year career. He has never won a playoff game.

He does get a whole lot of excuses though.

But, sure, he is the best qb option we have in 25. It doesn’t make him good. After 11 years, if you are nearly a full season under .500, you are what your record says you are. And what he needs to be good, is above average skill players, at every position. And a top 10 o line. Which we won’t have in 25.

I think we will likely be picked to finish last in the NFC South in 25. We are 1 game better than Carolina this season and split with them. Theyve at least been competing the last 8 weeks (6 out of 8 they either won or were within 1 score) and Bryce Young is at least showing something. 25 is a necessary evil we have to go through, a sacrificial year to rebuild the franchise. I just don’t know if it really matters if it’s Derek Carr or Heath Shuler under center.

When will people stop this RIDICULOUS practice of assigning the winning or losing of a game only to the QB? It' the most totally inaccurate way of thinking in sports. the QB does NOT play defense. If the offense is 60/40 split passing and running the QB is HANDING the ball off 40% of the time
C'mon man you're smarter than that

 

[IlovemySaints]

If she a season ticket holder he did

Raider fans don’t like em either only a few do and I’m not sure what’s the reason

 

[DaveXA]

You'd think he'd have more wins averaging 24 points per game, which would be about 10th best in the league. Kansas City averages 24 points per game. But of course their defense is the difference.

 

[BensonJr]

If Derek Carr is the best QB option we have, we will never win the division, make the playoffs, or be relevant.

The Saints will not win the division, make the playoffs or be relevant for at least 5 years+ but Derek Carr is not at the top of the list of problems. The Saints and Panthers are fighting it out for the least talented team in the NFC, we are $50m+ over the salary cap, we have no coach and we are only drafting 10th. These issues are much bigger than Carr.

That said Carr will probably only be ranked 15-20th at his position next year, and sadly that maybe the highest ranked player we have if McCoy and Olave are not healthy.

 

[Wheelo]

I'll just say this regarding Carr. I think Carr is a solid QB, but I think his Wins/Losses are very deceiving this year compared with Rattler.

Derek Carr's record against teams over .500 this year is:

0-3 (Chiefs, Eagles, Rams)

Spencer Rattler's record against teams over .500 this year is:

0-4 (Bucs, Broncos, Chargers, Packers)

Derek Carr got us wins against the Giants (our defense held them to 11 points we scored 14 points), we easily beat the Browns, and we squeaked out a win against the Falcons holding them to 17 points (and lost to them once). These listed games all occurred while our team was decimated with injuries and are comparable to games Rattler has played in with lackluster supporting cast. During this run of games we also lost to the Panthers once with Carr starting at QB.

It's hard to even include the first 2 games of the season vs the Panthers and Cowboys given how much different our team looked in those games with the players that were healthy and available.

I do think Carr is still "the best QB" on the roster currently, but I'm not sure that will be the case long term. Rattler has shown some real nice glimpses of his potential at times and has played some really good halves of football (1st half vs Bucs, 2nd half vs Commanders, and 1st half vs Raiders were all excellent), but hasn't put together a full game (yet). I just can't help but think if our defense was playing at a higher level like in past years or if we had reliable weapons on offense, that the narrative on Rattler wouldn't be more positive right now from many in the fan base. I'm excited to see if he can continue to develop going into next season.

You know why judging wins/losses as a QB stat is bad? He drove down the field late in the game against Philly and Atlanta and gave the Saints the lead... He was on the sideline watching the team lose.

 

[St. Geezy]

….which I hear a lot. This is now 0-6 without him, 12.5, 195, and -6. You’re telling me there isn’t a huge difference between being .500+ instead of 0’fer? Yeah, he’s not DB9, but who is? Thats never gonna happen again.

We are at our best with Carr under center, plain and simple. He was a top 5 rated passer earlier in the year before getting hurt and everyone around him getting hurt.

He’s being picked apart for every single flaw while being held to a crazy high standard due to his predecessors, one being an all-time NFL great, the other being the lovable guy that (mostly) everyone liked a lot as a person and enjoyed rooting for.

 

[St. Geezy]

Quarterbacks do not possess win-loss records

Not your favorite, not your rival’s favorite, not the guy you want to keep or get rid of.

None of them.

Exactly. The fact that Carr, while not spectacular he is at worst “fairly competent,” has had such a record and lack of playoff appearances speaks to a lack of competence around him.

The Raiders, to put it bluntly, are a QB graveyard organization, sheer ineptitude. Here, Carr got Carmichael’d early and has had injury problems both with himself and his supporting cast.

The guy has had a lot of bad luck. I guarantee you if he was a QB under Sean Payton or someone of his ilk, he’d have more than one playoff appearance.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Carr is simply not a franchise QB. Just for clarification, a franchise player can typically carry the team on their side of the ball a significant way. Brees, Kamara, Davis and Cam in their younger years, these guys immensely propelled their side of the ball and could carry the team.

Carr can’t do that. He’s an above average QB that has to have a good game plan and good peices around him to succeed consistently. When either of those are not present, he sinks.

We’re simply spoiled by franchise QB’s. We had Brees for 15 years. We watched Burrow blossom into one at LSU, then We watched Jayden Daniels blossom into another one 4 years later.

Us Saints fans who also know or watch LSU are just horribly spoiled with QB to the point we forget what an average QB really looks like, and we’ve forgotten what a franchise player means because it’s become so common for us. We forgot how franchise players are uncommon, and how franchise QBs specifically, are rare.