For anyone who says Carr is just a stat padder and don’t win:

[Pkessling]

I agree! I always thought drew lock was way more of a legend than Tom Brady! I mean look at that colts game! Woooooo /s

What about Jeff George?

 

[Vision]

….which I hear a lot. This is now 0-6 without him, 12.5, 195, and -6. You’re telling me there isn’t a huge difference between being .500+ instead of 0’fer? Yeah, he’s not DB9, but who is? Thats never gonna happen again.

I think we get same results, maybe 10 13 pts instead of 0.

 

[Saintslfc13]

An elite offensive minded coach can make a playoff run with Carr. Similar to how Andy Reid kept making the playoffs with Alex Smith, but I think Carr can make bigger plays than Alex Smith giving Carr a better chance to make a deep playoff run in that scenario. He’s not perfect, but I’d take him over more than half of the league starting QB’s. I’m just not sure the Saints are going to be able to get much out of Carr given the coach and talent of the team.

Trent Dilfer won a SuperBowl. You don't need an elite QB to win a championship but it's just way harder to do it without one. I've never been a huge fan of Carr and when we signed him I was not too excited but the amount of vitriol he gets from some portion of our fanbase is also unwarranted and, quite honestly, disgusting to me. The organization has failed since Payton left. That's the truth of the situation, Carr is a part of that failing but not because of himself rather because the organization has failed to understand their own predicament. I think we'll turn it around but unless we catch lightning in a bottle it won't be overnight.

 

[Steven G]

The amount of disrespect Carr gets by some of our fans is RIDICULOUS! Yes, he is not an Elite top 5 QB. Those are hard to come by. He is absolutely a better than average, top 15 QB, arguably top 10 when he has the supporting cast. So, he can't put the team on his back and carry to you a championship all by himself. Only a handful of QBs can actually do that. Anyone who think we are going to win more games without him than with him at this point is flat wrong. Maybe we will draft a QB who will take his job, maybe Rattler will grow into a Bonafide franchise QB, but with what is available to the Saints at the moment going into 2025, he is the best QB option we have.

Rattler can’t grow!!!!!

 

[Scorpius the Allfather]

My favorite part of that is 14-13 with

Better than 0-6.

 

[Scorpius the Allfather]

Looked it up, 11 years= 1 playoff appearance, 1 loss

And the Raiders got screwed out of a victory in that game. They should've won.

 

[Scorpius the Allfather]

Trent Dilfer won a SuperBowl. You don't need an elite QB to win a championship but it's just way harder to do it without one. I've never been a huge fan of Carr and when we signed him I was not too excited but the amount of vitriol he gets from some portion of our fanbase is also unwarranted and, quite honestly, disgusting to me. The organization has failed since Payton left. That's the truth of the situation, Carr is a part of that failing but not because of himself rather because the organization has failed to understand their own predicament. I think we'll turn it around but unless we catch lightning in a bottle it won't be overnight.

The amount of vitriol he gets is insane. I get it, people soured on him, but they act like he scammed their Grandma out of her life savings.

 

[44slayer]

He is 15 games under .500 in his 11 year career. He has never won a playoff game.

He does get a whole lot of excuses though.

But, sure, he is the best qb option we have in 25. It doesn’t make him good. After 11 years, if you are nearly a full season under .500, you are what your record says you are. And what he needs to be good, is above average skill players, at every position. And a top 10 o line. Which we won’t have in 25.

I think we will likely be picked to finish last in the NFC South in 25. We are 1 game better than Carolina this season and split with them. Theyve at least been competing the last 8 weeks (6 out of 8 they either won or were within 1 score) and Bryce Young is at least showing something. 25 is a necessary evil we have to go through, a sacrificial year to rebuild the franchise. I just don’t know if it really matters if it’s Derek Carr or Heath Shuler under center.

 

[IlovemySaints]

The amount of vitriol he gets is insane. I get it, people soured on him, but they act like he scammed their Grandma out of her life savings.

If she a season ticket holder he did

 

[webster]

….which I hear a lot. This is now 0-6 without him, 12.5, 195, and -6. You’re telling me there isn’t a huge difference between being .500+ instead of 0’fer? Yeah, he’s not DB9, but who is? Thats never gonna happen again.

I don’t think there are many that will argue Carr is head and shoulders over the teams backup qbs. DA was crazy going into the season with no viable backup qbs. I don’t see the next coach making a mistake like this again.

 

[DSnfla]

He is 15 games under .500 in his 11 year career. He has never won a playoff game.

He does get a whole lot of excuses though.

But, sure, he is the best qb option we have in 25. It doesn’t make him good. After 11 years, if you are nearly a full season under .500, you are what your record says you are. And what he needs to be good, is above average skill players, at every position. And a top 10 o line. Which we won’t have in 25.

I think we will likely be picked to finish last in the NFC South in 25. We are 1 game better than Carolina this season and split with them. Theyve at least been competing the last 8 weeks (6 out of 8 they either won or were within 1 score) and Bryce Young is at least showing something. 25 is a necessary evil we have to go through, a sacrificial year to rebuild the franchise. I just don’t know if it really matters if it’s Derek Carr or Heath Shuler under center.

When will people stop this RIDICULOUS practice of assigning the winning or losing of a game only to the QB? It' the most totally inaccurate way of thinking in sports. the QB does NOT play defense. If the offense is 60/40 split passing and running the QB is HANDING the ball off 40% of the time
C'mon man you're smarter than that

 

[IlovemySaints]

If she a season ticket holder he did

Raider fans don’t like em either only a few do and I’m not sure what’s the reason

 

[DaveXA]

You'd think he'd have more wins averaging 24 points per game, which would be about 10th best in the league. Kansas City averages 24 points per game. But of course their defense is the difference.

 

[BensonJr]

If Derek Carr is the best QB option we have, we will never win the division, make the playoffs, or be relevant.

The Saints will not win the division, make the playoffs or be relevant for at least 5 years+ but Derek Carr is not at the top of the list of problems. The Saints and Panthers are fighting it out for the least talented team in the NFC, we are $50m+ over the salary cap, we have no coach and we are only drafting 10th. These issues are much bigger than Carr.

That said Carr will probably only be ranked 15-20th at his position next year, and sadly that maybe the highest ranked player we have if McCoy and Olave are not healthy.