Haener starts vs Commanders: 1 INT, 5 punts ; Rattler replaced Haener in 2H: led to 19 points (8 Viewers)

[savannahsaint]

Any chance of winning depends on our defense; this offence has nothing much except for AK41 and Washington isn't the NYG's where we lucked out last week.

 

[sfidc3]

There is. It's called a bad coach. There's a very good reason Haslett didn't get another HC coach job.

I wanted him fired after that, I remember a reporter did an interview with Stallworth with 2 games left in the season, his attitude was that we already in the playoffs, I knew then the team culture was shot.....he was echoing what the vets and coaches believed.....Haslett was a cancer, terrible HC....

 

[sfidc3]

the Delhomme vs Brooks arguments always left me scratching my head. Brooks was mostly ever good when throwing to Horn and Delhomme was mostly only good when throwing to Steve Smith.

The truth is they were both not good and I found it highly amusing fans were arguing between two quality backup QBs.

I disagree, while neither was ever a top tier QB, they were both quality starters......I mean Jake led Carolina to a SB......

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Tampa game Rattler put 27 points in the second quarter. How about the numerous drops in all the games and every time they had a positive drive there was a penalty. That stalled out the drive. 3 games in 14 days. How can you correct all the problems when you play 3 games with limited weapons and bad line play. The starting center was on the team for a week. Lucas Patrick came in injured for both the Broncos and Chargers game. I think he was in and out for one of them. Rattler got hurt in the Broncos game and still played the Chargers game. Don’t forget Means got hurt in the Chargers game. Cedrick Wilson missed the Chargers game. Plus what you said he had his weapons which he didn’t. Jake came in at the end of the game against Denver and led a garbage TD once the game was in hand. Jake didn’t do anything against the Chargers when he came in. Trevor Siemian did the same late in games but his starts were horrible. People just want to keep moving the goalpost like you did about weapons.

Moving the goal post is also when you say “Haener came in garbage time to score a TD” and not admitting that Rattler couldn’t even do that. Haener also didn’t just score a TD, he drove the field with authority and complete command of the offense. Something else Rattler lacked.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

I disagree, while neither was ever a top tier QB, they were both quality starters......I mean Jake led Carolina to a SB......

I really struggle with the idea that they were quality starters. Even Smith got so incredibly frustrated with Delhomme as a QB, and Brooks had teammates trying to fight him. If I remember right, someone actually punched him on the airplane on the way back (was it Charles Bentley or Charles Grant or someone else?)

Idk. Neither meets my standard of quality starters, and more so of “really good backup”.

 

[sfidc3]

I really struggle with the idea that they were quality starters. Even Smith got so incredibly frustrated with Delhomme as a QB, and Brooks had teammates trying to fight him. If I remember right, someone actually punched him on the airplane on the way back (was it Charles Bentley or Charles Grant or someone else?)

Idk. Neither meets my standard of quality starters, and more so of “really good backup”.

I mean, while I think Steve Smith was a great, great WR, that dude hated everyone.....and TBH that is the Haslett culture you are describing re: Brooks.....he never had a chance, his later teams were an absolute mess......with a good HC and offensive staff I thought Brooks could be very good.....

I think you also need to keep in mind there are very few good-great QB's, I think they were both average starters that had some good moments....

 

[Hedon James]

I mean, while I think Steve Smith was a great, great WR, that dude hated everyone.....and TBH that is the Haslett culture you are describing re: Brooks.....he never had a chance, his later teams were an absolute mess......with a good HC and offensive staff I thought Brooks could be very good.....

I think you also need to keep in mind there are very few good-great QB's, I think they were both average starters that had some good moments....

in retrospect, I think your take is correct. but to put it in perspective, we were coming out of a long run with Steve Walsh, Mike Buck, Billy Joe Tolliver, Billy Joe Hobert, Danny Weurfel, and Jeff Blake playing QB. Jeff Blake was the crown jewel of that group, despite being average. So yeah, Brooks & Delhomme looked REAL good in comparison. In the words of Eddie Murphy, after all that, Brooks & Delhomme were the best saltines we ever had. LOL!

 

[sammymvpknight]

The next time the Saints are contenders it’ll be with a QB not currently on the roster. I’m pretty confident about that one

 

[srcampbell]

I listened to Haener’s press conference. I recommend you give it a listen. He’s a feisty lil guy!

 

[3ParStillDriver]

The next time the Saints are contenders it’ll be with a QB not currently on the roster. I’m pretty confident about that one

I'm not bold enough to say that. Haener has shown that he's capable of coming out and making some great throws with anticipation. That's something the 10 or so least performing starting QB's are doing nor have been doing.

If he can do even some of the game game, and put in as good as a performance as the bottom 10 QB's or even better, then what can he be after two years of experience and growth?

With that being said, I haven't the confidence that he can do that. But I recognize the possibility, and I do believe while its less possible, its still possible. Which makes me open to it.

I'm excited for this weeks game. I want to see what he's capable of.

 

[sammymvpknight]

I'm not bold enough to say that. Haener has shown that he's capable of coming out and making some great throws with anticipation. That's something the 10 or so least performing starting QB's are doing nor have been doing.

If he can do even some of the game game, and put in as good as a performance as the bottom 10 QB's or even better, then what can he be after two years of experience and growth?

With that being said, I haven't the confidence that he can do that. But I recognize the possibility, and I do believe while its less possible, its still possible. Which makes me open to it.

I'm excited for this weeks game. I want to see what he's capable of.

A new coach isn’t going to want to hitch their wagon to the current options. They may be forced to out of necessity next year, but I’d be surprised and disappointed if the Saints don’t get a good QB prospect in the draft the next 2-3 seasons

 

[sfidc3]

in retrospect, I think your take is correct. but to put it in perspective, we were coming out of a long run with Steve Walsh, Mike Buck, Billy Joe Tolliver, Billy Joe Hobert, Danny Weurfel, and Jeff Blake playing QB. Jeff Blake was the crown jewel of that group, despite being average. So yeah, Brooks & Delhomme looked REAL good in comparison. In the words of Eddie Murphy, after all that, Brooks & Delhomme were the best saltines we ever had. LOL!

I mean, at the time, we had no idea that we would one day get a Brees

 

[St. Widge]

In the Denver game SR gets benched and Haener comes in and in 5 plays gives us a TD. I n the Chargers game all he was missing on the OL was McCoy. He had Olave AND Taysom and was so bad he got benched
In Sun's game yes JH will have the starting OL, one that looked awful last week but he'll have no Olave, Shaheed or Taysom, also no Bub Means

You keep repeating this and for the 3rd or 4th time, it is not really accurate. Rattler had Olave for like one possession, only had Hill in the Chargers game which was his first game back from injury, and only had Shaheed for most of one game. And he was mostly playing with 2nd and 3rd string interior OL that were mostly playing hurt and he didn't have MVS who is likely our 2nd best WR even if Shaheed was healthy. And you know that McCoy is a huge part of the OL and have repeatedly used it as an excuse for why KK's offense wasn't working, but for some reason you choose to ignore that when talking about Rattler vs. Haener.

Haener is almost no doubt more ready to start than Rattler. And he should be since he has had one more training camp, one more year in the league, and one offseason working with Gruden. So, if he wasn't further along that would be very surprising. I think he will play a bit better than Rattler, but we really won't fully know what we have in Rattler until next year when he has an offseason and another camp to get ready. And maybe not even then.

But, I'm fine giving Haener these starts because then we will have a pretty good idea what we have in Haener. I think his upside is good backup, but I hope I'm wrong and he ends up being a really good starter.

 

[St. Widge]

And SR was only missing McCoy in the Charger game, he also had Olave in that game. He had Miller in the Buc game as well and got benched both games.

That's why i think it was wrong to start SR in place of JH to begin with. All that SR has over JH is arm strength, that's IT. JH is more accurate has better anticipation and decision-making

Rattler is more accurate that Haener. But, at this point Haener is likely more ready to start.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

I imagine Jake will half of his family in town for this game and FOX will find reason to focus in on former TV anchor mom a few times (not that I would complain about that).