Haener starts vs Commanders: 1 INT, 5 punts ; Rattler replaced Haener in 2H: led to 19 points (2 Viewers)

[MikeyF]

Hopefully AK & Miller will have big games, which would take a lot of the pressure off of Haener.

Hopefully the D can contain J. Daniels & shut down the Commanders run game.
Another defensive battle like last week would be just wonderful!

We pull it out with a last second FG!

 

[renegadewa]

Now we possibly will see how bad Allen messed up by giving rattler the reins for 3 games.... Or not

I'll go with not.

The little I've seen of Haener hasn't impressed me even a little bit.

I would love to be wrong but I don't think I am.

 

[MikeyF]

Yeah I agree. People who throw like that are really horrible quarterback. Can't win games throwing like that. I bet those quarterbacks never won a Super Bowl with those type of throws. What's wrong with Heaner?

 

[DSnfla]

Rattler didn't have all them. Olave got hurt on the first play of the Tampa game, missed the Broncos game on a short week and came back for the Chargers game. Shaheed played the Tampa game got hurt and has missed the rest of the games, and Taysom missed Tampa and Denver games and came back for the Chargers game. Add that with playing with 3 - 4 string guards and centers and playing 3 games in 10 days and don't forget the Bucs had 10 days off before they played the Saints. So who did he have again?

In the Denver game SR gets benched and Haener comes in and in 5 plays gives us a TD. I n the Chargers game all he was missing on the OL was McCoy. He had Olave AND Taysom and was so bad he got benched
In Sun's game yes JH will have the starting OL, one that looked awful last week but he'll have no Olave, Shaheed or Taysom, also no Bub Means

 

[kcirdor]

Well, there were more than a handful in Lafayette/Breaux Bridge who became Carolina fans because of Jake. They're mostly all Who dats now tho. It's really not all that different from Sam Mills fans.

And sorry, anyone not putting Shaq in the GOAT discussion didn't watch him much. He was the reason hack a Shaq became a thing. And he was absolutely unstoppable in his prime. No one ever accused him of being lazy while he was in the league. I wouldn't put him top 3, but top 5 maybe, top 10 he's in there.

People certainly accused him of being out of shape every off season. It was the whole reason he and Kobe had a rift. Had he been more driven he would have came into the season already in shape and would have been able to maintain his dominance for an even longer period. But.... "we talkin bout practice"

 

[DSnfla]

Again, SR had Olave for less than a quarter, I think Shaheed got hurt in his first game, and Taysom was out for all but the Chargers game. MVS may be the 2nd best WR on the team even if Shaheed was healthy. So their weapons are more or less even and Haner has a much better OL to work with.

Haener also has one more year in the NFL, one more training camp, and one entire offseason working with Gruden. I would certainly expect Haener to be further along than Rattler at this point and I would expect him to play better than Rattler. He probably gives you the best chance to win this game. But, I still tend to think that Rattler has more upside

And SR was only missing McCoy in the Charger game, he also had Olave in that game. He had Miller in the Buc game as well and got benched both games.

That's why i think it was wrong to start SR in place of JH to begin with. All that SR has over JH is arm strength, that's IT. JH is more accurate has better anticipation and decision-making

 

[DSnfla]

Correct, I agree with his draft profile in regards to that. Above average arm strength, but its definitely not good or elite. I think here he is creating a different arm angle to get the ball through traffic. Which according to his profile that is one of his positive traits.


If you read the negatives on both sites, those things must get cleaned up because most of them are catastrophic.

I doubt we have our future QB on the roster, but it would be nice if it ends up happening.

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Jake Haener, QB, Fresno State | NFL Draft Scouting Report

As his 2023 NFL Draft scouting report details, Fresno State QB Jake Haener has the tools to be a valuable long-term backup for the New Orleans Saints.

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Jake Haener NFL Draft 2023: Scouting Report for New Orleans Saints' QB

HEIGHT: 6'0" WEIGHT: 207 HAND: 9 3/8" ARM: 29 3/4" WINGSPAN: TBD 40-YARD DASH: N/A 3-CONE: 7.01 SHUTTLE: N/A VERTICAL: 35" BROAD: 114" POSITIVES — Tough as…

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Yeah and then there is this.

 

[MikeyF]

Wow! You guys don't know much about the mechanics of throwing a football...

 

[StudioSaint]

Wow! You guys don't know much about the mechanics of throwing a football...

Are you saying that's how Haener throws the football every time he throws the football? That is just one photo of him throwing the football. In the past two years, I've seen Haener throw the football a lot more than just one time and I don't remember him always throwing the ball like he is in the photo.. Just saying.

 

[natedogg02]

Lattimore seeing Haener starting at quarterback

Would be great to see Haener eat him alive

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Uhh...
Delhomme took the Pather's to the Superbowl.

Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl.

 

[DaveXA]

Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl.

He had probably the greatest defense ever playing with him. All he had to do was not throw interceptions.

Jake had a decent defense with him that SB season. But not anywhere near those nasty league leading defenses the Ravens had. Panthers d was 6th in yards allowed and 6th in points allowed.

But whatever, I'm hoping both Haener and Rattler do well. That's really what matters these last few games of the season. See who is ready to possibly take the reins next season if something happens to Carr.

 

[Rouxble]

I’m looking forward to seeing Haener out there. I was thinking he and Janocko would be a good pairing when I thought of this video on the quick game:



Then I saw this other video from Janocko on Dragon-Lion, which happens to be a concept Haener executed twice against the Broncos. Haener may not have elite tools, but he seems to otherwise fit the mold of what this offense asks it’s QB to do (trust the progression and be on time).




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Haener is decisive on this throw to Tipton, but the pass is dropped.


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With a 7-man pass rush coming, Haener waits a beat before delivering a TD throw to Wilson.

Haener will throw with anticipation, and it won’t shock me if he gets burned at some point because of his average arm strength, but I can see a scenario where he is able to keep this offense on schedule and put us in a position to be competitive against the Commanders.

 

[greatshow25]

In the Denver game SR gets benched and Haener comes in and in 5 plays gives us a TD. I n the Chargers game all he was missing on the OL was McCoy. He had Olave AND Taysom and was so bad he got benched
In Sun's game yes JH will have the starting OL, one that looked awful last week but he'll have no Olave, Shaheed or Taysom, also no Bub Means

Tampa game Rattler put 27 points in the second quarter. How about the numerous drops in all the games and every time they had a positive drive there was a penalty. That stalled out the drive. 3 games in 14 days. How can you correct all the problems when you play 3 games with limited weapons and bad line play. The starting center was on the team for a week. Lucas Patrick came in injured for both the Broncos and Chargers game. I think he was in and out for one of them. Rattler got hurt in the Broncos game and still played the Chargers game. Don’t forget Means got hurt in the Chargers game. Cedrick Wilson missed the Chargers game. Plus what you said he had his weapons which he didn’t. Jake came in at the end of the game against Denver and led a garbage TD once the game was in hand. Jake didn’t do anything against the Chargers when he came in. Trevor Siemian did the same late in games but his starts were horrible. People just want to keep moving the goalpost like you did about weapons.

 

[Rouxble]

Tampa game Rattler put 27 points in the second quarter. How about the numerous drops in all the games and every time they had a positive drive there was a penalty. That stalled out the drive. 3 games in 14 days. How can you correct all the problems when you play 3 games with limited weapons and bad line play. The starting center was on the team for a week. Lucas Patrick came in injured for both the Broncos and Chargers game. I think he was in and out for one of them. Rattler got hurt in the Broncos game and still played the Chargers game. Don’t forget Means got hurt in the Chargers game. Cedrick Wilson missed the Chargers game. Plus what you said he had his weapons which he didn’t. Jake came in at the end of the game against Denver and led a garbage TD once the game was in hand. Jake didn’t do anything against the Chargers when he came in. Trevor Siemian did the same late in games but his starts were horrible. People just want to keep moving the goalpost like you did about weapons.

Of those 27 points:

-7 came on a Shaheed punt return TD
-10 came on two drives that totaled 27 yards combined

So you can almost put 17 on defense/ST and 10 on the offense.