Ian Rapoport: Saints to make a decision on Taysom Hill; hard to imagine Hill returning [T.Hill is turning 35 w/ 18M cap hit & ACL recovery] (41 Viewers)

[fiz]

Taysom Hill is 1 of 1 you don't just go out and find a backup of him

 

[StudioSaint]

Taysom Hill is 1 of 1 you don't just go out and find a backup of him

Mahommes is 1 of 1, Brees was 1 of 1, Brady was 1 of 1, yet they all had backups. Backups are backups because they can't aren't as talented as the people they are backing up. No backup can do everything as well as the person they are backing up can do things.

There's no one known right now that is a good as Hill at everything he's good at, but there are some who are good enough as a backup plan.

 

[Pocket Hercules]

Mahommes is 1 of 1, Brees was 1 of 1, Brady was 1 of 1, yet they all had backups. Backups are backups because they can't aren't as talented as the people they are backing up. No backup can do everything as well as the person they are backing up can do things.

There's no one known right now that is a good as Hill at everything he's good at, but there are some who are good enough as a backup plan.

It's a little different in Taysom's case. It's not just what he physically does out on the field (there's nobody else that can throw, run, catch, AND block at the levels that TH can) it's also what he knows. He knows the assignments for EVERY skill position. That's why he's literally 1 of 1...like, ever.

Taysom IS the backup at QB, RB, FB, TE, and receiver. He doesn't have a backup, and he never will. Because of what he can do, and because of what he knows, he can be lined up anywhere to create a favorable matchup or serve as a decoy because he's explosive with the ball in his hands. When he's done, we'll likely never see anyone like him again.

 

[Elvis]

It's a little different in Taysom's case. It's not just what he physically does out on the field (there's nobody else that can throw, run, catch, AND block at the levels that TH can) it's also what he knows. He knows the assignments for EVERY skill position. That's why he's literally 1 of 1...like, ever.

Taysom IS the backup at QB, RB, FB, TE, and receiver. He doesn't have a backup, and he never will. Because of what he can do, and because of what he knows, he can be lined up anywhere to create a favorable matchup or serve as a decoy because he's explosive with the ball in his hands. When he's done, we'll likely never see anyone like him again.

It takes multiple players to back him up and we didn't have those players.

 

[tinman]

Sure, all 3 of those QBs are special. So have dozens of others in history, all played w/in the confines of 1 position. There has NEVER been anyone that has done(or can do) what Hill has, NONE! He was extremely effective, early this season, when almost no one else was. He has always been slammed by some here: he's too old, he doesn't pass well enough, he can't really catch or run routes, he gets paid too much, he's always injured...pick any other one. All he's ever done is succeed at EVERYTHING the team has asked him to do, with NO complaint.

"Hill has carried 398 times for 2,159 yards (5.4 avg.), caught 76 passes for 756 yards, completed 191-of-298 passes (64.1 pct.) for 2,348 yards, returned 19 kickoffs for 447 yards and added 15 special teams stops and a blocked punt. Hill's 5.4 yards per carry average ranks second in franchise history."

100 games; 55 TDs, 8 lost fumbles & 9 INT. By all means, kick him to the curb, we have more than enough offensive weapons.

 

[Elvis]

By all means, kick him to the curb, we have more than enough offensive weapons.

I don't think anyone is thinking that way. He has a torn ACL and is 35. I'm not sure what benefit he offers to the team in the future, but he certainly doesn't have another 55 TDs in him. But he's a legendary Saint.

 

[StudioSaint]

It's a little different in Taysom's case. It's not just what he physically does out on the field (there's nobody else that can throw, run, catch, AND block at the levels that TH can) it's also what he knows. He knows the assignments for EVERY skill position. That's why he's literally 1 of 1...like, ever.

How many times do I have to say that backups are not as good as the players they are backing up? There are other players who can pass, run and catch too. They just can't do it at the same level. That's why they would be a backup.

Taysom IS the backup at QB, RB, FB, TE, and receiver.

He's not the backup QB. The Saints started two rookies who both struggled without starting Hill at QB when he was healthy.

He doesn't have a backup, and he never will.

He doesn't, but he can. No backup is as good as the person they are backing up. This seems to stem from the "I want all pro quality backups at every spot" mentality. It's a Madden/fantasy football pipe dream. No team had all pro offensive or defensive players playing second string offense or defense.

 

[StudioSaint]

It takes multiple players to back him up and we didn't have those players.

It doesn't have to take multiple players. There are a lot of athletic QB's that can't cut it as a starting QB, but they can pass, run, catch and block good enough to back up Hill.

Hill is the result of colleges using more athletic QB's. Hill has exceptional physical and mental abilities and there are others out there good enough to back him up in all his roles.

 

[Pocket Hercules]

How many times do I have to say that backups are not as good as the players they are backing up? There are other players who can pass, run and catch too. They just can't do it at the same level. That's why they would be a backup.


He's not the backup QB. The Saints started two rookies who both struggled without starting Hill at QB when he was healthy.


He doesn't, but he can. No backup is as good as the person they are backing up. This seems to stem from the "I want all pro quality backups at every spot" mentality. It's a Madden/fantasy football pipe dream. No team had all pro offensive or defensive players playing second string offense or defense.

Taysom doesn’t start at any offensive position, but he's on the depth chart for every skill position. That includes QB, where he lined up dozens of times, took the snap from center, handed the ball off, kept the ball as a rusher, dropped back to throw, and actually threw passes to receivers. He IS the ultimate backup, and he cannot be backed up by one player. If that player existed, capable of doing everything he does at the NFL level, every team would have their own version of him.

 

[StudioSaint]

If that player existed, capable of doing everything he does at the NFL level, every team would have their own version of him.

You're using the logical fallacy of "ad ignorantiam"/"argument from ignorance." The lack of evidence of something does not prove it to be false.

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I'm not saying there is "another Hill." I'm saying that there are some players who can do enough of what Hill does to be a viable backup to him when he can't play. Other teams don't have an equal player to Hill, so they are not looking for a backup similar to Hill, they are looking for an equivalent, starter quality version of Hill. Those are very different things that don't require the same level of talent and ability.

 

[SaintsSpringBayou]

Taysom stays. Restructured 2 yr deal.
I say this because I do not feel like changing my avatar. I am lazy about internet shenanigan's.

 

[DSnfla]

I think the team may reach out to Hill about renegotiating that $10m base salary. They could guarantee a portion of it and replace some of the dollars with incentives so he can earn it back if he returns healthy. It would be a win for both sides, as Hill is unlikely to have a big market in free agency due to his age and injury.

Exactly, I think TH will take a pay cut and he stays

 

[Dome50]

Hill has such a unique combination of size, strength, speed and explosiveness. For a few years now pundits have talked about a player being the next Taysom Hill or one that can be used in that role. And it's yet to really happen. Deebo Samuels and Kyle Juszczyk are kind of examples but not really (which is why we thought Kubiak would be such a good fit here). Anyway, it's true that Hill is/was one of one. I hope he heals up, rethinks his contract, and comes back.

 

[sfidc3]

The bold part is the mistake the Saints made with Hill and it would be a mistake with any starter.

Shaheed has missed a lot of games with injuries, does that mean it's a mistake to rely on Shaheed in the offense? No, it's not. You rely on him when he can play and have a backup plan that keeps the offense from dropping off a lot.

Olave has missed a lot of games with injuries, does that mean it's a mistake to rely on Olave in the offense? No, it's not. You rely on him when he can play and have a backup plan that keeps the offense from dropping off a lot.

Kamara has missed a lot of games and has played hobbled in others due to injuries, does that mean it's a mistake to rely on Kamara in the offense? No, it's not. You rely on him when he can play and have a backup plan that keeps the offense from dropping off a lot.

The same is true of Hill. It is not a problem to rely on Hill in the offense. The problem is not having any backup plan at all for when he's out. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Saints under Moore draft or sign the best possible backup for Hill. As is true with all backups, Hill's backup wouldn't be as good as Hill, but he'd be better than no backup at all.

Your missing the most important point.....TH is 35, those guys are all in their 20's, with AK turning 30 before next season....

Father time wins all battles, and this is assuming that TH will be back this season.....he may retire or the Saints may release him.....I honestly hope (if healthy) they can bring him back at a reduced rate....

Also, I love TH, and wish he were in his 20's or even 30, but I feel his time with the Saints is coming to a close.....

 

[Dome50]

Your missing the most important point.....TH is 35, those guys are all in their 20's, with AK turning 30 before next season....

Father time wins all battles, and this is assuming that TH will be back this season.....he may retire or the Saints may release him.....I honestly hope (if healthy) they can bring him back at a reduced rate....

Also, I love TH, and wish he were in his 20's or even 30, but I feel his time with the Saints is coming to a close.....

Father Time is absolutely undefeated. But he's losing ground a little bit. Players take such good care of themselves these days. QB's can play into their 40's, RB's can play into their 30's. We are trotting out a 36 year old MLB for pete's sack. That said, Taysom is one of those types of players that I would bank on being able to extend his career beyond what most 35 year olds are capable of. Hope so at least.