Israel (now broader Mid East discussion) (54 Viewers)

[gavinj]

Killing civilians is never acceptable.

Nope, it’s a tragic consequence of war.

 

[UptownSaintsFan]

Palestinian Guy in the truck tried to burn an Israeli flag, which led to the altercation.

Tulane is about to join Harvard, Penn et al in having their alumni start pulling their support. Crazy to me seeing this sort of stuff on Freret St.

(FWIW I doubt Tulane is 40% Jewish but it’s a sizeable percentage)

i'm not sure why tulane would lose support. some of the pro palestine students weren't even tulane students. from what i've read, it was organized by UNO students.

 

[Heathen Saint]

I’m glad somebody said it. Innocent people get killed in wars. This is a war.

Slippery slope.

That soundbite, while true in most cases, should be what civilized societies work tirelessly to limit.

To act as if human lives are 'just necessary collateral' during one event but not another is dangerous.

 

[BigFrosty]

 

[BigFrosty]

 

[BigFrosty]

 

[Heathen Saint]

Internet service in Gaza is being reported widely to be out due to the Israeli airstrikes

Internet blackout in Gaza after Israeli airstrikes bomb emergency services

DEIR AL-BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — The Palestinian telecom provider Paltel says internet service in Gaza Strip has been cut off by Israeli bombardment. Services were cut Friday evening, following a h…

wgntv.com

 

[SamAndreas]

Not really a perfect answer.

Hamas isn't holding the people in Gaza hostage. Many have no means to relocate. There isn't transportation or fuel.

The idea that the people remaining in Gaza are there because Hamas is forcing them to stay is just complete nonsense.

Kirby is counting on people not watching any media that is telling the story from inside Gaza.

It isn't just Hamas who's making them stay there. In the 1960's it was the policies of most of the Arab world to shove their undesirables to Palestine, into the refugee camps, and make them stay there. They artificially increased the Palestinian population to far greater numbers than it had been. It was the creation of a people bomb.

They're people and we have to deal with them as people, but to not realize that these people are being used as weapons of war by their own terrorists is not rational.

 

[gavinj]

Slippery slope.

That soundbite, while true in most cases, should be what civilized societies work tirelessly to limit.

To act as if human lives are 'just necessary collateral' during one event but not another is dangerous.

Wars/armed conflicts are bad because people suffer and people get killed during them. If you count NIACs and international armed conflicts in the world today, 10/27/23, the number is over 100 unfortunately. In almost all of them innocent children, the elderly, just regular folks are suffering tragic consequences. These conflicts rarely end by means other than unconditional surrender. Otherwise, they typically never end. So to end a war, how does one side cause the other side to surrender? Usually and tragically and unfortunately, it’s by causing tremendous loss, pain, and death. I wish the world was a better place, it should be a better place, but it’s never been a better place.

 

[baarbogast]

 

[SamAndreas]

 

[DaveXA]

Killing civilians is never acceptable.

It certainly isn't. But to think there wouldn't be in this situation isn't realistic either.

 

[DaveXA]

Slippery slope.

That soundbite, while true in most cases, should be what civilized societies work tirelessly to limit.

To act as if human lives are 'just necessary collateral' during one event but not another is dangerous.

I don't really trust the IDF much, but I do think most Israelis would agree that limiting civilian casualties should be high on the list of considerations for the IDF. Whether that's actually true or not, I honestly don't know.

 

[WhoDatPhan78]

It isn't just Hamas who's making them stay there. In the 1960's it was the policies of most of the Arab world to shove their undesirables to Palestine, into the refugee camps, and make them stay there. They artificially increased the Palestinian population to far greater numbers than it had been. It was the creation of a people bomb.

They're people and we have to deal with them as people, but to not realize that these people are being used as weapons of war by their own terrorists is not rational.

Not many people in Gaza today were alive in the 1960s. Citing history about what is going on right now isn't very useful. Both sides can point to historical events that make the other side wrong.

How is someone in Northern Gaza right now supposed to get to southern Gaza?

Also, Southern Gaza isn't safe from air strikes, so going there won't necessarily make them safe.

It is a cop out for Kirby to suggest that the reason there are people in Northern Gaza is because Hamas is using them as human shields. Hamas might be counting on them being human shields, but Hamas isn't forcing them to stay. The people don't really have any other option.

Hamas and Israel are both treating the people in Gaza like human shields.

 

[SamAndreas]

I think we're past the point of weighing the ethical concerns since the sneak attack on the 7th.

Ethical concerns take a back seat for the duration of wars. It isn't a question of good, bad, or ugly, It's reality.