Jeff Duncan: Inside the Saints Culture Issues (1 Viewer)

[Taker597]

Just blows my mind the mentality that Loomis has to choose side of one man versus not just Allen's former boss, media outlets, or fans. His own players. Players aren't airhead Meatheads.

So, when your own players are done with him. I just can fathom the mental gymnastics to stay loyal to a mediocre coach that has won nothing of significance or even a regular season games when it mattered.

4-9
5-7

Get blown out with the season on the line.

The BFF franchise where they take a week vacation while bad organization that want to be great get to work. You know what's other organization's vacation... Missing the playoffs. Like Jesus what these coaches even do during the off-season. Everything is shut down except scout going all year around.

This whole taking a week off crap reeks apathy, false superiority, and complacency. So, Saints are going to let other organizations get a head start. They are trying to ride out fan emotion and run back the same sad song and dance with a new TE and RB coach. Plus, some new analyst.

 

[Archie's Boyz]

Actually he just had one

My apologies. He went 7-9, 8-8, and then the Super Bowl. Then, three straight years of 7-9 from 2014-2016. Still had the attention of the team. DA does not have the support from the team.

Actually he just had one

Actually he just had one

 

[Lionsaint]

My apologies. He went 7-9, 8-8, and then the Super Bowl. Then, three straight years of 7-9 from 2014-2016. Still had the attention of the team. DA does not have the support from the team.

Actually there is multiple reports that locker room fractures and SP loyalty to certain coaches and players played a role in those 7-9 years. Team captains including Strief had meetings with SP and voiced their concerns. He then replaced coaches and players. He refocused on the team and his coaching style and things were better. He never totally lost team or the locker room and was able to gain it back. That led to success the following years but let’s not pretend everything was prefect during his tenure.

Now everything we are hearing is that there was similar issues this year and maybe even last year. Can DA avoid totally losing the locker room? Can he bring it back and succeed? Will he get rid of coaches and players that were causing the issues? I have my doubts BUT the first step in that process is not completely losing the locker room. And by all reports he didn’t. He may not have completely won them back over but it sounds like they are headed in the right direction. There was even a report that most players on expiring deals voiced a strong desire to return next year. In my opinion it’s a 50/50 toss up if Latt is here next year. MT is gone. But Demario, Cam, AK, McCoy will all be here next year. We will be fine with veteran leadership.

 

[State Of Affairs]

My boss is not a good leader at all. I work hard because I am paid to work hard. I take personal responsibility for my work ethic and performance. Players should do the same.

I’m actually amazed with all the by people agreeing that it’s not the players responsibility to be better. I guess it’s the country we live in now… and I’m no fan of the current staff.

 

[DaveXA]

I’m actually amazed with all the by people agreeing that it’s not the players responsibility to be better. I guess it’s the country we live in now… and I’m no fan of the current staff.

That's not at all what's being said. I haven't seen one person say it's not the players' responsibility to be better. What's being said is that on it's own, responsible players without a strong leader is not enough to be successful over the long haul.

 

[rlemieux]

Remember, Loomis has a lot riding on this. He pushed Sean out with the promise that Allen was in the wings waiting and if they didn’t move quick they’d lose him and Payton would leave too (Miami). Loomis is getting really personal, something that never happened with Payton. He’s resorted to calling the fans and media stupid, clueless and insisting that all is right even though it’s pretty clear it’s not. Now you have him blaming Kamara, Thomas (remember I’m not a fan of his to start with) Graham, Lattimore. He’s getting desperate and the kinks in the armor are showing.

 

[DaveXA]

Remember, Loomis has a lot riding on this. He pushed Sean out with the promise that Allen was in the wings waiting and if they didn’t move quick they’d lose him and Payton would leave too (Miami). Loomis is getting really personal, something that never happened with Payton. He’s resorted to calling the fans and media stupid, clueless and insisting that all is right even though it’s pretty clear it’s not. Now you have him blaming Kamara, Thomas (remember I’m not a fan of his to start with) Graham, Lattimore. He’s getting desperate and the kinks in the armor are showing.

What's your source for Loomis pushing Sean out?

 

[los226]

The culture is declining because the guy who built it left, and now the substitute has been exposed.

DA is more than capable of doing what Sean Payton did.
-Loomis

 

[rlemieux]

What's your source for Loomis pushing Sean out?

People that know a lot more than you or me. I find it amazing that this fan base believes that a hall of fame coach just decides to hang it up for a year bc he’s burnt out and comes back right away. You don’t have to take my word for it but information has a way of trickling out eventually

 

[DaveXA]

People that know a lot more than you or me. I find it amazing that this fan base believes that a hall of fame coach just decides to hang it up for a year bc he’s burnt out and comes back right away. You don’t have to take my word for it but information has a way of trickling out eventually

So, no source? OK then.

 

[rlemieux]

So, no source? OK then.

When reporters put out articles do they name their sources? It would make a lot of sense for me to put out names of guys and girls who say things in confidence and still work in some capacity for or around New Orleans Saints football. Yeah, that wouldn’t be dumb in the least bit.

On a side note, don’t need or care for your approval so there’s that too.

 

[DaveXA]

When reporters put out articles do they name their sources? It would make a lot of sense for me to put out names of guys and girls who say things in confidence and still work in some capacity for or around New Orleans Saints football. Yeah, that wouldn’t be dumb in the least bit.

On a side note, don’t need or care for your approval so there’s that too.

Lol, it's not about approval. I don't know you, personally, so I have no idea whether your claim is credible or not. There's already enough nonsense posted on these boards that I'm not going to buy an unsubstantiated claim without verifiable sources.

And sure, I take most news reports with a huge grain of salt when they cite unnamed sources. There are good reasons for some of that, i.e. national security, trade secrets and what not. But a GM pushing out a coach? I mean, I suppose it's the source's prerogative to remain anonymous, but that doesn't strike me as something that needs to be hush hush a few years after the fact.

I don't have an issue with you at all, I'll just file it away as a rumor until verifiable sources confirm it.

It really shouldn't take that long to trickle out. It's been 2 years and I haven't heard anything like that outside of SR.com

 

[Saint Spud]

Lol, it's not about approval. I don't know you, personally, so I have no idea whether your claim is credible or not. There's already enough nonsense posted on these boards that I'm not going to buy an unsubstantiated claim without verifiable sources.

And sure, I take most news reports with a huge grain of salt when they cite unnamed sources. There are good reasons for some of that, i.e. national security, trade secrets and what not. But a GM pushing out a coach? I mean, I suppose it's the source's prerogative to remain anonymous, but that doesn't strike me as something that needs to be hush hush a few years after the fact.

I don't have an issue with you at all, I'll just file it away as a rumor until verifiable sources confirm it.

It really shouldn't take that long to trickle out. It's been 2 years and I haven't heard anything like that outside of SR.com

Yeah, Loomis didn’t push out Payton. That’s ridiculous.

According to Underhill, Payton has had a foot out the door for years. The Colts job. 1-2 others. He always ultimately came back.

But two years ago he was legit burned out and thought it was time. They didn’t come close to pushing him out. In fact, they offered him the chance to take a sabbatical and come back.

The only thing close to “pushing out,” was that Loomis supposedly made it clear that if he resigned, he couldn’t just come back the next year. They had to move forward if Payton wanted to move on. There were rumblings Payton may have been interested in coming back later. But by that point, Loomis felt he needed to stick by what he told Payton (personally, I would’ve taken him back. But that’s because I’m 44 and lived through Ditka, Haslett, etc).

Anyway, the idea that he was pushed out is beyond absurd.

 

[nakadish]

DA is more than capable of doing what Sean Payton did.
-Loomis

Maybe if Haener turns into a HOF QB and DA finds a better OC than Pete. But I'm betting that ain't happening.

 

[Saint KayBee]

He's coached about 6 years and has 24 wins to show for it. That's just a terrible track record. He's had more than enough time. I know the players aren't the same. But what I was hoping was he'd learned from his first stint with the Raiders, and from what I can tell, he's the same coach. His pressers are cringe, he's not aggressive at all, and he doesn't hold himself or his players accountable.

He's gonna get another season regardless, but I'd be very surprised if he gets more than 5 wins next season.

There's no need to estimate or fluff up on this. His precise coaching record is readily knowable:

- 36 games in Oakland, 2.25 seasons @ 16 games. Eight wins. Fired after an 0-4 start. On its face, objectively terrible. Missing simple context (longtime owner died, team dumped a ton of salary) but still not a great head coaching record.
- 34 games in New Orleans, 2 seasons @ 17 games. Sixteen wins, not awe-inspiring but not floor-collapsing bad either. Not significantly worse than the two head coaches who preceded him, although the lack of playoff appearances in an expanded postseason is worrisome. Team is hamstrung with money issues aplenty and has maintained a very uninspiring coordinator on the side of the ball that boosts casual and diehard fan interest and electrifies the arena on gameday. Year three is going to need a spark and the spark will most likely (and conveniently) come from a change in offensive coordinator. Wonder if DA would give a new coordinator $250,000 of his own salary to come aboard. For what it's worth, former defensive coordinator Gary Gibbs was fired a week and a half after the 2008 season ended.