Jon Gruden as replacement OC? (3 Viewers)

[liveoakh]

Is this based on anything or just your own speculation?

I don't think Pete is here for long anyway. He will soon retire, he loves New Orleans and wants to stay here, with a less pressured job.

I said "I don't think". so, my opinion. Pete has said as much when he wanted to be QB coach, instead of competing for HC, or OC, till others spoke up about him taking the job.

 

[DavidM]

I said "I don't think". so, my opinion. Pete has said as much when he wanted to be QB coach, instead of competing for HC, or OC, till others spoke up about him taking the job.

I know it's your opinion but thoughts can be informed by facts or completely driven by imagination. I understand better that you're just guessing.

 

[jahsoul357]

Drew threw for 5000 + yds 43 TDs, now a lot of that stat line is in games we were losing in. But, 5000 + yds (3rd most in Saints history) and 43 TDs (2nd most in Saints history) is a fine achievement and an offensive season for the ages!!!!!!!!!!!!

With the worst defense in NFL history up until that time. The Worst!!! That was how good that offense was. The NFL screwed us royally.

I'm not knocking Drew at all because 2012 brought a lot of craziness.
But a huge chunk of our losses that season wasn't because of the defense. Again, high high's and low low's.

All I saying is with the worst defense in the league, there were offensive miscues responsible for a lot of those loses. I can think of probably 7 games that season where we can point to the offense

 

[DavidM]

All I saying is with the worst defense in the league, there were offensive miscues responsible for a lot of those loses. I can think of probably 7 games that season where we can point to the offense

That's going to be true throughout the Payton years if that's the observation you're resting on. (And generally true of this era of football.) I already pointed out that there were eleven games over the next two seasons where the Saints failed to score at least 21 points vs that happening twice in 2012. Considered as a measuring stick of performance to this specific point, that's not meaningless.

As it is, the 2012 defense was historically bad while the offense performed at a high level relative to the rest of the league that year, and consistent with the expected standard under Payton.

 

[St. Geezy]

If Gruden is on the Saints sideline at any point, it’ll be as Allen’s replacement. Can’t see a coach of his ilk taking a coordinator position.

I doubt Allen would even make such a hire; he’d be threatened. It wouldn’t take long at all for the locker room and the powers that be to recognize who the alpha in the true coaching room is.

 

[los226]

Well, the difference is Allen was hired in January of 2015 as a "senior defensive assistant", a salaried member of the coaching staff, and went on to replace Ryan when he was fired midseason, where as Gruden was here as a temporary advisor.

Yeah I get that, but that doesn’t mean he can’t get hired later on.

 

[motivation2k12]

 

[DavidM]

Yeah I get that, but that doesn’t mean he can’t get hired later on.

Of course, but I've seen the comparison made other times and it's an important distinction that Allen wasn't brought in on an advisory role, he was hired to join the coaching staff and to work alongside Ryan. I'm not ruling anything out but I'm also not anticipating anything there, either, because I don't think there's enough to go on to say one way or the other.

My hope is that Carmichael gets it going because if he does, that could alleviate an offensive coaching carousel that other defensive head coaches have to deal with.

 

[los226]

Of course, but I've seen the comparison made other times and it's an important distinction that Allen wasn't brought in on an advisory role, he was hired to join the coaching staff and to work alongside Ryan. I'm not ruling anything out but I'm also not anticipating anything there, either, because I don't think there's enough to go on to say one way or the other.

My hope is that Carmichael gets it going because if he does, that could alleviate an offensive coaching carousel that other defensive head coaches have to deal with.

I personally am more concerned about the OL than who’s calling the plays. I think people are putting way too much on the play calling. In the end it’s about execution and the OL just hasn’t done well since Drew left.

Conservative play calling can be a DA request because defensive head coaches want to win with their defense unless they have an out of this world QB like Mahomes.

 

[DavidM]

I personally am more concerned about the OL than who’s calling the plays. I think people are putting way too much on the play calling. In the end it’s about execution and the OL just hasn’t done well since Drew left.

Conservative play calling can be a DA request because defensive head coaches want to win with their defense unless they have an out of this world QB like Mahomes.

Biggest problem with the OL has been injuries so first have to hope that we get better luck in that regard, and that depth is improved for when it is necessary. Marrone is highly regarded so counting on him to get it figured out.

There's a synergy that every team hopes to establish and build on, so I wouldn't dismiss the possibility of improvements at other positions helping the OL and vice versa.

 

[Zztop]

If DA doesn't work out, watch them hire him as HC

 

[liveoakh]

I know it's your opinion but thoughts can be informed by facts or completely driven by imagination. I understand better that you're just guessing.

Why are you always debating semantics? "I think" is an implied guess.

That's going to be true throughout the Payton years if that's the observation you're resting on. (And generally true of this era of football.) I already pointed out that there were eleven games over the next two seasons where the Saints failed to score at least 21 points vs that happening twice in 2012. Considered as a measuring stick of performance to this specific point, that's not meaningless.

As it is, the 2012 defense was historically bad while the offense performed at a high level relative to the rest of the league that year, and consistent with the expected standard under Payton.

Are you guessing, or is this just a figment of your imagination? Asking for a friend.

 

[liveoakh]

Biggest problem with the OL has been injuries so first have to hope that we get better luck in that regard, and that depth is improved for when it is necessary. Marrone is highly regarded so counting on him to get it figured out.

There's a synergy that every team hopes to establish and build on, so I wouldn't dismiss the possibility of improvements at other positions helping the OL and vice versa.

Are you guessing, or is this just a figment of your imagination? Asking for a friend.

 

[liveoakh]

Of course, but I've seen the comparison made other times and it's an important distinction that Allen wasn't brought in on an advisory role, he was hired to join the coaching staff and to work alongside Ryan. I'm not ruling anything out but I'm also not anticipating anything there, either, because I don't think there's enough to go on to say one way or the other.

My hope is that Carmichael gets it going because if he does, that could alleviate an offensive coaching carousel that other defensive head coaches have to deal with.

Are you guessing, or is this just a figment of your imagination? Asking for a friend.

 

[madsaint1967]

I still like and believe in Sneaky Pete. Grudens personality would get in the way. Dennis Allen is under a lot of pressure right now. Can you imagine the pressure he would be under with Gruden on the staff.

It takes pressure to make diamonds, if we hired Gruden, I wouldn't be mad. At least someone would have a personality!