Jonathan Vilma Arrested - Confirmed (1 Viewer)

[NPs6724]

I don't see anywhere where anyone has said they've lost all respect for Vilma. But not everyone is ready to just brush this under the rug.

You know if that was your wife/child that he almost hit would you being saying it isn't so bad?

I have to speak on this because I can't stand it when people speak on things when if it was them they would be outraged. I am a Police officer in the NYPD now when you weave in out of traffic 1 violation, run a red light violation 2, then almost hit two pedestrians 3 violations., refusing to comply with lawful order to get out of the car that's violation 4. Now as a cop my suspicion is already elevated why? Because this driver is driving like an ****** putting people in harms way. So when he finally pulls over and refuses to comply my suspicion becomes even more elevated what is this guy hiding? does he have drugs? does he have a gun? is he wanted for something? So when Vilma says why do I have to get out of the car? Well I know in this day age question authority is okay. But as a cop my job is to get him out of the car and in the back of mine safely so I can go home to my family.

So now as a Saints fan I have lost complete respect for Vilma for driving like an ******, and then having the balls to say why do I have to get out? when he knows damn well what he did. Too bad too he was the one guy on our defense I really respected not anymore. I'll stick with my Drew Brees, and Duece Jersey no need to buy any other player these days.

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[Ronin]

I realize this, I just really sick and tired of people dogging potential free agents for the Saints because they've had occasional problems with the law, like our own players aren't capable of making mistakes. Like our team is full of guys with impeccable "character." It gets really annoying.

a mistake could be weaving thru traffic, possibly even running a red light. Failing to take orders from a police officer to get out of a car, failing to abide by what the officer orders you to do when you finally get out of the car, failing to place your hand/s behind you back after being ordered by the police - these are not mistakes, they are pure arrogance & stupid.

 

[St. Greatness]

I just see a lot of "well maybe the cop did this or that" and "he didn't hurt anyone," while not ever seriously considering the possibility that Vilma may have been completely in the wrong here. Vilma did break the law, and almost harmed people in the process, that's the thing. It's not a simple fact that he almost hit someone, it's that he was breaking a law anyways when it happened. Then he was uncooperative with the officer apparently.

Unfortunately I'm not that surprised that people are refusing to believe that Vilma could do something like this. You cut a couple of United Way commercials and you have "high character" all of a sudden? The fact is no one here knows Vilma enough to know if he has high character. Before anyone says "you don't know him either" that's true, and that's why viewing what he did as I would anyone else. He doesn't deserve any additional benefit of the doubt.

I see what you're getting at, but the court thing isn't a strong argument. I'm assuming that the "'almost' killing someone" part as attempted murder. In that case, someone was actually harmed and didn't die or someone had the intent to kill someone (and failed). I find it hard to believe that John had the intent to hit those pedestrians (if he did, then I don't want him on the team). I'm siding with NPs6724 on this one. Don't get me wrong, I don't think this situation should be taken lightly, but at the same time, neither of the pedestrians were harmed, so it shouldn't be taken to the other extreme either.

In case you missed it the first time. Also, no one is saying that JV can do no wrong, but no one's perfect. He made a mistake and has paid his dues (literally). I'm sure he's learned from his mistake. What separates him from the likes of Pacman and others is that he's not doing these kinds of things repeatedly. That is why he gets the benefit of the doubt. It's almost like you think he's some hardened criminal after one offense and should be locked up in prison. You're making this situation look worse that it actually is.

 

[GoldRush26]

a mistake could be weaving thru traffic, possibly even running a red light. Failing to take orders from a police officer to get out of a car, failing to abide by what the officer orders you to do when you finally get out of the car, failing to place your hand/s behind you back after being ordered by the police - these are not mistakes, they are pure arrogance & stupid.

I think we're arguing the same point. Mistake = error in judgment, in my context.

 

[Ronin]

http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=549840

Here is a scenario. Vilma is driving through South Beach. If you've ever driven there, you'll know that it's impossible to drive there and NOT almost hit anyone. He probably got frustrated with the traffic and tried to get out of it. Cops pull him over.

I have a feeling the whole thing is exaggerated, but let's wait to see what comes out. At any rate, as you see above, there was no alcohol involved, no guns, no women with bruises. At this point, it's a traffic violation.

it was initially 2-3 traffic violations, Vilma caused it to expand well beyond that - Fool!

 

[GoldRush26]

In case you missed it the first time. Also, no one is saying that JV can do no wrong, but no one's perfect. He made a mistake and has paid his dues (literally). I'm sure he's learned from his mistake. What separates him from the likes of Pacman and others is that he's not doing these kinds of things repeatedly. That is why he gets the benefit of the doubt. It's almost like you think he's some hardened criminal after one offense and should be locked up in prison. You're taking this situation waaaaaaay too seriously.

Where have I said anything that would make you think that I think that Vilma's a hardened criminal and should be locked up??? I just think he should be treated as anyone else that did the same thing, NFL player or not. Breaking the law is breaking the law to me. It's not better or worse when certain people do it.

(sorry, I'm the son of two lawyers, just the way I am).

 

[All The Way]

Where have I said anything that would make you think that I think that Vilma's a hardened criminal and should be locked up??? I just think he should be treated as anyone else that did the same thing, NFL player or not. Breaking the law is breaking the law to me. It's not better or worse when certain people do it.

(sorry, I'm the son of two lawyers, just the way I am).

They must both be prosecutors....

 

[bayou reaper]

I don'tknow if anyone brought this up didn't read whole thread. Didn't Ricky Jackson get arrested when he went out partying and wrapped his vette around a tree off airline hwy? Then played on Sunday with a broken jaw. No one seemed to get up about his actions.

 

[dd]

Looks like he'll be out at least the frist 4 games of 09. How stupid can one be?

 

[DefensePlease]

Wow. Chill out people. Vilma broke the law and got hot headed when he got caught. Lost his temper and went to jail for probably 10 minutes.

He did not kill a lady while drunk..leonard little.
He did not slam a strippers head on a stage and have some kind of connection with a shooting. pac
He did not have connections with killing 2 guys. ray lewis
He did not spit on a woman and push her to the ground. Larry. bad but not too bad.

Point is, the man got in trouble and has paid his price.

 

[St. Greatness]

Where have I said anything that would make you think that I think that Vilma's a hardened criminal and should be locked up??? I just think he should be treated as anyone else that did the same thing, NFL player or not. Breaking the law is breaking the law to me. It's not better or worse when certain people do it.

(sorry, I'm the son of two lawyers, just the way I am).

Sorry, that was a bad example. What I meant was that you're going a bit overboard about this.

 

[Jonesy77]

This just in: Drew Brees shoots nun in the face

 

[purgatorysaint]

There's also cases of athletes thinking they are above the law and treating law enforcement officers with disrespect. And for some perspective, I'm black AND have been unjustly pulled over by the police in the past. Why don't we all acknowledge that the "Vilma's being framed" scenario could be true, while also realizing that the "Vilma actually did these things he's being accused of" scenario also could be true.

Great post.

 

[Det. Brees]

Good post.

I find it interesting that some of the other current/former law enforcement officers here have already jumped to a lot of conclusions despite a lack of information... NYCSaintsFan, do you have insider info that would make you "lose all respect" for Vilma already?

dont you think its reasonable to loose respect for someone that drives like a idiot and puts innocent peoples lives at risk...

 

[NPs6724]

dont you think its reasonable to loose respect for someone that drives like a idiot and puts innocent peoples lives at risk...

No. That's just stupid. Are you going to lose respect for everyone who has ever made a mistake? If he had done it on purpose, then yes. But he didn't. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.