Kellen Moore most likely to be Saints coach; Saints meeting Moore again after Super Bowl, Kellen Moore has begun working on assembling staff (15 Viewers)

[Elvis]

Blank slate = not much talent. It's unfortunately true and something that needs to start being addressed quickly for Moore to have any chance at succeeding.

 

[St. Widge]

The real question is if Kelin's gonna start Derrick Carr or not

You spelled David Carr wrong.

 

[SoggyBottomBoy]

I think we’re making a huge mistake! Rizzi should be the next Saints head coach. The dude is still waiting around. Hire the man. Do the right thing. I don’t want to hear about OC play calling on an ALL PRO roster. This is the same situation as your child hood girlfriend that you know would be there for you, but you instead drop her for the hot popular chick that’s clueless. Rizzi is the guy.

Rizz had a tall hill to climb and it was due to unfortunate circumstances. Rizzi, Kuiak, Rattler and even Haener all had their auditions under extremely unfair circumstances playing with such a depleted lineup. We never got a reasonable look at their capabilities. I always viewed him as a good fallback option, but there was too much pressure to move away from DA's tenure. Rizzi made some positive moves with the coaches and in clubhouse that showed improvement, but when he was unable to pull a rabbit out of the hat and convert the efforts into wins it didn't give him fighter's chance. Rizz and Kubiak will get their chances elsewhere. Rattler and Haener await their fate with KW. I think he has something to work with with both. Haener has been written off by many, but he's shown an ability to learn a playbook quickly and he has decent skills which could keep him around even if it's not as the starter.

 

[Elvis]

As much as Loomis doesn't want to admit it, I see it as we are in rebuild mode, which we have been screaming to do for 3-4 years now.
I'm excited.

Same here. I like the idea of Moore and I like that we're likely to reset some things to begin a new era of Saints football. And contrary to some peoples belief, I am rooting for Loomis to redeem himself starting 5 days from now.

 

[Optimistic Ozzy]

For the first time in several years, I'm actually excited to see what happens with this team.

 

[fishing4food]

Blank slate = not much talent. It's unfortunately true and something that needs to start being addressed quickly for Moore to have any chance at succeeding.

Agreed. The article was a nice of saying he (Moore) doesn't have much to work with.

 

[St. Widge]

Rizz had a tall hill to climb and it was due to unfortunate circumstances. Rizzi, Kuiak, Rattler and even Haener all had their auditions under extremely unfair circumstances playing with such a depleted lineup. We never got a reasonable look at their capabilities. I always viewed him as a good fallback option, but there was too much pressure to move away from DA's tenure. Rizzi made some positive moves with the coaches and in clubhouse that showed improvement, but when he was unable to pull a rabbit out of the hat and convert the efforts into wins. Rizz and Kubiak will get their chances elsewhere. Rattler and Haener await their fate with KW. I think he has something to work with with both. Haener has been written off by many, but he's shown an ability to learn a playbook quickly and he has decent skills which could keep him around even if it's not as the starter.

To me the thing with Rizzi is that, although I didn't like him throwing a hissy fit at Hayball while others messed up on the same play and he didn't do that to other guys making mistakes, there is more than one way to lead and maybe his way works. But, even if he is a good leader, he showed a lack of knowledge of the rules on more than one occasion and even argued with the refs when he was just wrong about the rules. I just don't think you should be a head coach in the NFL if you don't know the ins and outs of all of the rules. And the fact that he didn't tells me that he's not ready to be a HC.

And that ignores that it's really hard to have to keep both a good OC and a good DC because your HC is a special teams guy. It can work, Harbaugh, but it's a higher degree of difficulty.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

I preached enough about Rizzi and I had my reasons for him being the ideal fit. So here's my counter-argument to Rizzi.


When Campbell was hired, and then proceeded to hire a bunch of former players on his staff there was an article written that expressed concerns that Campbell's unit was a bunch of meat heads leading meat heads and that he'd be hard pressed to win. He's proven those doubters wrong, but something about the way this year ended was a major let down. Then he had to watch his units get stripped of the OC/DC that helped him build the whole thing.

The thing about energetic fiery leaders, is that sometimes energy and fire isn't what the team needs. After so long that energy can get tuned out, because not every game needs a "rah rah" lets go bite some kneecaps type off approach. At some point, some of those games will require a bit of cerebral thinking and no amount of grit or toughness is going to help in those scenarios.

In a way we saw it at the end of the season...the Rizz started to wear off down the stretch. The passionate approach wasn't enough to get them over the hump and I think that's an inherent truth about those types of leaders.....the flame sometimes flames out because the fuel gets depleted.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

I'm confused how anyone can look at Rizzi and say "yes. We need that!". The guy was absolutely atrocious with clock management. That has absolutely nothing to do with talent, game planning, or any other bull stool excuse you can come up with. He completely fumbled clock management on more than one occasion, and one time it was nearly as appalling as Matt Eberflus and what got him fired the following day.

If that's not bad enough, the only game planning adjustment he ever made during game time was taking out Haener and putting in Rattler at halftime.

Just no. I mean, even half the couch coaches on this forum could not mess up clock management that bad.

Reminds me of when this forum was screaming for Dennis Allen and how "solid" of a hire he would be for head coach. eek.

 

[Shotgunred]

The cupboard needs restocking, but it's far from empty. You can add Bressee, Granderson, Werner, McKinstry, and Taylor to the sky is falling article on Saintswire

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Same here. I like the idea of Moore and I like that we're likely to reset some things to begin a new era of Saints football. And contrary to some peoples belief, I am rooting for Loomis to redeem himself starting 5 days from now.

Exact same. I actually have a bit of excitement for the draft and free agency to see how Moore shapes this team and how Loomis supports him to redeem himself after one of the most bone headed head coaching hires in my lifetime

 

[Rexman100]

Rizz had a tall hill to climb and it was due to unfortunate circumstances. Rizzi, Kuiak, Rattler and even Haener all had their auditions under extremely unfair circumstances playing with such a depleted lineup. We never got a reasonable look at their capabilities. I always viewed him as a good fallback option, but there was too much pressure to move away from DA's tenure. Rizzi made some positive moves with the coaches and in clubhouse that showed improvement, but when he was unable to pull a rabbit out of the hat and convert the efforts into wins it didn't give him fighter's chance. Rizz and Kubiak will get their chances elsewhere. Rattler and Haener await their fate with KW. I think he has something to work with with both. Haener has been written off by many, but he's shown an ability to learn a playbook quickly and he has decent skills which could keep him around even if it's not as the starter.

"but there was too much pressure to move away from DA's tenure" I agree, but its pressure from fools.

 

[SoggyBottomBoy]

"but there was too much pressure to move away from DA's tenure" I agree, but its pressure from fools.

I can see both sides of the argument, but quite frankly, I'm more comfortable going the KW route. I'm not as heavily invested in either, like many are.

 

[Rexman100]

Naw, Rizzi should not be the HC. It's ok to appreciate him, but nothing about him says head coach and nothing he has done has warranted that. Thankfully we do not have to worry about this even being an option.

i appreciated him awhile back its more than that. He's got that trait. If we let him go, then technically not one person can talk about losing Dan Campbell.

 

[Rexman100]

I can see both sides of the argument, but quite frankly, I'm more comfortable going the KW route. I'm not as heavily invested in either, like many are.

i know. but one is tested and has the trait, one is not tested and doesnt have the trait. Its pretty simple that we're gambling heavy. Another thing, when you go the route of a first timer, expect a longer recovery time. W/ Mike or Rizzi, we could've been recovered as soon as 2025. Sean is just waiting to poach him.