Leah Chase Circle (2 Viewers)

[LAhotsauce]

It has been argued that Lee and Davis, besides being traitors, were never associated with the city. And I have no problem with that.
But Paul Tulane made substantial monetary and land donations that advanced the entire higher education and hospital system in the city at a time when those entities were in danger of completely shutting down.
Yes I realize he was a supporter of the confederacy but can’t that be placed in context?

Paul Tulane advanced the higher education and hospital system for who? Everybody or those on the right side on american apartheid?

His family also directly benefitted from American chattel slavery, so that's where the money came from. Tulane University didn't admit it's first African American student until 1963.

Probably because...

As the University of Louisiana struggled to stay afloat, Paul Tulane, a retired dry goods wholesaler, donated property to the State of Louisiana appraised at $288,700 “for the promotion and encouragement of the intellectual, moral, and industrial education among the white young persons in the city of New Orleans.”

You want to honor that and place it in context?

 

[DaveXA]

You missed the opportunity for “where the streets have N.O. names”

happy thanksgiving nonetheless

Lol, touché. And likewise!

 

[rob22278]

Paul Tulane advanced the higher education and hospital system for who? Everybody or those on the right side on american apartheid?

His family also directly benefitted from American chattel slavery, so that's where the money came from. Tulane University didn't admit it's first African American student until 1963.

Probably because...



You want to honor that and place it in context?

Are you saying that not 1 minority person has ever benefited from the donation that he made? Is the city of New Orleans, which is known to have multiple great universities as well as a great medical school system, better off today from his monetary generosity?

Is your position that anyone that benefited from slavery or did anything “good” during slavery should never be honored for anything they did?
Serious question, because if it is then this discussion can’t go any further.
The Declaration of Independence was written by slave owners, the majority of the founding fathers were slave holders.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Are you saying that not 1 minority person has ever benefited from the donation that he made? Is the city of New Orleans, which is known to have multiple great universities as well as a great medical school system, better off today from his monetary generosity?

Is your position that anyone that benefited from slavery or did anything “good” during slavery should never be honored for anything they did?
Serious question, because if it is then this discussion can’t go any further.
The Declaration of Independence was written by slave owners, the majority of the founding fathers were slave holders.

Neither of those is what he was saying

 

[LAhotsauce]

Are you saying that not 1 minority person has ever benefited from the donation that he made? Is the city of New Orleans, which is known to have multiple great universities as well as a great medical school system, better off today from his monetary generosity?

Is your position that anyone that benefited from slavery or did anything “good” during slavery should never be honored for anything they did?
Serious question, because if it is then this discussion can’t go any further.
The Declaration of Independence was written by slave owners, the majority of the founding fathers were slave holders.

Did you not read anything I posted? We are talking about a person who ACTIVELY and EXPLICITLY practiced white supremacy to the detriment of African Americans in this city. He donated assets to Tulane with the explicit acknowledgement that it benefit "white young persons of the city of New Orleans."

If that's too hard to understand then this discussion indeed cannot go any further.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Songs!

“I’ll be catching the parades at Cissy Strut Circle.”

 

[Zack Lee]

These all seem to be sound choices
But if I had my druthers I’d prefer we didn’t name streets/bldgs after people anymore
(Not sure what we’d use instead)

how about Concrete Bum Bed Circle.

or Pedestal Circle

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

Here is the full list of recommended name changes. I don't have strong opinions on too many of them (other than I would leave the whole thing alone myself, but we're moving on) except once you add "Mama D" to the list of new street names you pretty much have to add Sandra "18" Wheeler-Hester.

I also would not mess with Tulane Avenue but both sides of that argument have been laid out in this thread already.

(I also would not change Calhoun - he was part of the Great Triumvirate and while undoubtedly a racist was also a major force in forming a lot of the basic structures of the United States government)

See 37 New Orleans streets, sites up for renaming, and who would be newly honored

City Council considers stripping ties to Confederacy, segregation, denial of civil rights

www.nola.com

 

[buzd]

Here is the full list of recommended name changes. I don't have strong opinions on too many of them (other than I would leave the whole thing alone myself, but we're moving on) except once you add "Mama D" to the list of new street names you pretty much have to add Sandra "18" Wheeler-Hester.

I also would not mess with Tulane Avenue but both sides of that argument have been laid out in this thread already.

(I also would not change Calhoun - he was part of the Great Triumvirate and while undoubtedly a racist was also a major force in forming a lot of the basic structures of the United States government)

See 37 New Orleans streets, sites up for renaming, and who would be newly honored

City Council considers stripping ties to Confederacy, segregation, denial of civil rights

www.nola.com

I don't have any objection to any of the renamings, but I don't like this practice of renaming with full names - even worse if they are going to put nicknames in quotations. If you are renaming a street with a single surname (like Tulane) replace it with another surname. These 4-name streets are ridiculous.

 

[Waymer]

What, no Waymer Way? Ridiculous.

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

What, no Waymer Way? Ridiculous.

No Rickey Jackson either. Sad.

I don't have any objection to any of the renamings, but I don't like this practice of renaming with full names - even worse if they are going to put nicknames in quotations. If you are renaming a street with a single surname (like Tulane) replace it with another surname. These 4-name streets are ridiculous.

Yeah they set a bad precedent for that a few years ago when Jason Williams pushed to rename certain blocks (not even the whole street) after politically supportive pastors. So now 4 blocks of Lasalle St are "Rev. John Raphael Jr. Way" and 3 blocks of Carondelet are "Robert C. Blakes Sr. Drive."

I wonder if they will really change Calhoun Street to "Father Louis J. Twomey Street"

 

[BigOdin504]

Here is the full list of recommended name changes. I don't have strong opinions on too many of them (other than I would leave the whole thing alone myself, but we're moving on) except once you add "Mama D" to the list of new street names you pretty much have to add Sandra "18" Wheeler-Hester.

I also would not mess with Tulane Avenue but both sides of that argument have been laid out in this thread already.

(I also would not change Calhoun - he was part of the Great Triumvirate and while undoubtedly a racist was also a major force in forming a lot of the basic structures of the United States government)

See 37 New Orleans streets, sites up for renaming, and who would be newly honored

City Council considers stripping ties to Confederacy, segregation, denial of civil rights

www.nola.com

mamma d was a bit of a racist.
I’m thinking that is not the route we want to take, no?

 

[where yat brah]

What, no Waymer Way? Ridiculous.

 

[Zack Lee]

I don't have any objection to any of the renamings, but I don't like this practice of renaming with full names - even worse if they are going to put nicknames in quotations. If you are renaming a street with a single surname (like Tulane) replace it with another surname. These 4-name streets are ridiculous.

either of Leah Chase names would be cool. Chase circle or if it were Leah Circle then it would at least feel familiar.

 

[DaveXA]

No Rickey Jackson either. Sad.

I like the idea of a Jackson Square, but for Rickey, and not the other one. Just put Rickey on a horse in a Saints uni and we're good to go.