Leah Chase Circle (2 Viewers)

[The Nomad]

Did Toussaint Circle ever get mentioned? Double-duty name that can commemorate both N.O. musician and icon Allen Toussaint, and Haitian slave-revolt leader Toussaint L'Ouverture.

I like this. I am in favor of several musical pioneers with Fats being my personal favorite.

 

[DaveXA]

Why are these proposed street names so long? I mean, I get that they are named after people, but these are too long.

Leontine Goins Luke Street
Henry James "Red" Allen Street
Sherwood "Woody" Gagliano Avenue
Morris F.X. Jeff Sr. Park
Dyan French "Mama D" Cole Street

New names for 38 New Orleans streets, parks; see all latest recommendations | Local Politics | nola.com

Luke Street
Red Street
Woody Avenue
F.X. Park
Mama D Street

Works for me.

 

[AARPSaint]

Why are these proposed street names so long? I mean, I get that they are named after people, but these are too long.

Leontine Goins Luke Street
Henry James "Red" Allen Street
Sherwood "Woody" Gagliano Avenue
Morris F.X. Jeff Sr. Park
Dyan French "Mama D" Cole Street

New names for 38 New Orleans streets, parks; see all latest recommendations | Local Politics | nola.com

Do they still have those unreadable white posts with the names printed vertically? Try fitting one of those four-name streets on one of those. Tchoupitoulas was bad enough.

 

[Madmarsha]

I'm down for Deuce Circle.

"Égalité Circle" pretty much guarantees people will just keep calling it Lee Circle. Or maybe Eagle Lite Circle.

Such a clusterf-

I'm def. calling it Eagle Lite. But for sure people will call it "old Lee Circle" or "what used to be called Lee Circle". Égalité is just too hoity toity to remember.

 

[Madmarsha]

I don’t suppose it’s acceptable to just put the General Lee car up there no?

Okay. I may be laughing way too hard at this.

 

[DaveXA]

If Drew goes ahead and retires, let's go with Brees Circle.

 

[zatsnzapps]

If Drew goes ahead and retires, let's go with Brees Circle.

Or, go the college bowl route and call it the:

AdvoCare International, Nike, Microsoft, PepsiCo, Pampers, Nyquil (and Dayquil), Verizon, Wrangler Brees Circle sponsored by Jimmy John's, Walk-on's, Dunkin', NINE, Title Boxing Club, and Happy’s Irish Pub.

It just kind of rolls off the tongue.

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

Maybe this deserves its own thread, but the Orleans Parish School Board is doing their own renaming exercise.

Lusher, Ben Franklin, McDonogh: See the 19 New Orleans school names now on the chopping block

The committee charged with renaming New Orleans public schools that honor slave owners, confederate officials or segregation supporters has publicly identified 19 buildings that school officials and community members say

www.nola.com

the committee charged with renaming New Orleans public schools that honor slave owners, confederate officials or segregation supporters has publicly identified 19 buildings that school officials and community members say are worthy of a new moniker.

The building named after Robert Mills Lusher and the eight school buildings named after John McDonogh are among those up for consideration. The renaming committee, assembled by NOLA Public Schools, will present the list of schools to School Board members during a meeting Tuesday.

Lusher, a Confederate figure and former Louisiana schools superintendent who said he believed in "the supremacy of the Caucasian race," and McDonogh, a wealthy slave owner who left money to build dozens of New Orleans schools, were some names that had immediately come under renewed scrutiny as officials took a hard look at New Orleans institutions in recent months, in the wake of the killing of George Floyd by a White police officer and protests across the U.S. over institutional racism.


Also on the list are Ben Franklin Elementary School and Ben Franklin High School, named after the inventor, scientist and founding father who also owned slaves, as well as Audubon School, named after naturalist and painter John James Audubon, a slave owner and was recorded dismissing the abolitionist movement.

I'm curious to see how Ben Franklin fares in this process - if even nola.com describes him simply as "inventor, scientist, and founding father who also owned slaves" I fear his days are numbered despite his mid-life conversion into a staunch abolitionist. Although maybe our school board will dig a little deeper than our local newspaper. One can hope.

 

[St. Widge]

Maybe this deserves its own thread, but the Orleans Parish School Board is doing their own renaming exercise.

Lusher, Ben Franklin, McDonogh: See the 19 New Orleans school names now on the chopping block

The committee charged with renaming New Orleans public schools that honor slave owners, confederate officials or segregation supporters has publicly identified 19 buildings that school officials and community members say

www.nola.com

I'm curious to see how Ben Franklin fares in this process - if even nola.com describes him simply as "inventor, scientist, and founding father who also owned slaves" I fear his days are numbered despite his mid-life conversion into a staunch abolitionist. Although maybe our school board will dig a little deeper than our local newspaper. One can hope.

To be fair, the students at Lusher have been asking for the name to be changed for quite awhile. So this isn't just the government doing this. On the other hand, Ben Franklin students have not been asking for the name change. Then again, I don't think most of them really care one way or the other.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Maybe this deserves its own thread, but the Orleans Parish School Board is doing their own renaming exercise.

Lusher, Ben Franklin, McDonogh: See the 19 New Orleans school names now on the chopping block

The committee charged with renaming New Orleans public schools that honor slave owners, confederate officials or segregation supporters has publicly identified 19 buildings that school officials and community members say

www.nola.com

I'm curious to see how Ben Franklin fares in this process - if even nola.com describes him simply as "inventor, scientist, and founding father who also owned slaves" I fear his days are numbered despite his mid-life conversion into a staunch abolitionist. Although maybe our school board will dig a little deeper than our local newspaper. One can hope.

Unaming
they would leave the renaming up to the schools

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

Brees Circle.

I’ll allow it.

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

Update on the school renaming process. Seems like they pulled a fast one to avoid further feedback from McD-35 and Franklin alums. I still cringe reading these descriptions of Ben Franklin. "A one-time slave owner who became an abolitionist later in life." That's it, that's all that needs to be said about one of the most influential men of early America. LOL.

OPSB committee approves list of 20 school campuses to rename | The Lens

The campuses are named after slave owners, Confederate sympathizers and segregationists. The list includes some of the city’s most well-regarded schools, and officials expect some pushback from alumni groups.

thelensnola.org

here is the report with the rationale for renaming each school. Reading Ben Franklin's entry is fun - it reads like a pretty good defense of Franklin, not the justification from removing his name from the school.

According to noted historian Gordon S. Wood's biography, Benjamin Franklin owned slaves, later repudiated the institution, and became president of the Society for Promoting the Abolition of Slavery. His is a trajectory "supposedly enlightened" bondsman to avid anti-slavery proponent. Wood noted, "In a statement in November, 1789, signed by Franklin, the society declared that slavery was `such an atrocious debasement of human nature, that its very extirpation, if not performed with solicitous care, may sometimes open a source of serious evils." In February 1790, Franklin signed a memorial to the new federal Congress requesting the abolition of slavery in the United States. "The petition predictably outraged many in the Congress and the country, and Franklin and the Quakers were viciously attacked. Congressman James Jackson of Georgia was especially vociferous in defending slavery in the House of Representatives." Jackson argued for continued enslavement of people of African descent, claiming that the "fields of the South" would be left untended, as he asked, "Who else could do the work in the hot climate?" When Franklin read Jackson's speech, he ridiculed it in his newspaper, the Federal Gazette.

https://go.boarddocs.com/la/nops/Board.nsf/files/C25Q9H67E137/%24file/Facilities%20Renaming%20Initiative%20Board%20Update%2042021.pdf

 

[superchuck500]

I still cringe reading these descriptions of Ben Franklin. "A one-time slave owner who became an abolitionist later in life." That's it, that's all that needs to be said about one of the most influential men of early America. LOL.

Seems like he's been through this before:

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Update on the school renaming process. Seems like they pulled a fast one to avoid further feedback from McD-35 and Franklin alums. I still cringe reading these descriptions of Ben Franklin. "A one-time slave owner who became an abolitionist later in life." That's it, that's all that needs to be said about one of the most influential men of early America. LOL.

OPSB committee approves list of 20 school campuses to rename | The Lens

The campuses are named after slave owners, Confederate sympathizers and segregationists. The list includes some of the city’s most well-regarded schools, and officials expect some pushback from alumni groups.

thelensnola.org

here is the report with the rationale for renaming each school. Reading Ben Franklin's entry is fun - it reads like a pretty good defense of Franklin, not the justification from removing his name from the school.

https://go.boarddocs.com/la/nops/Board.nsf/files/C25Q9H67E137/%24file/Facilities%20Renaming%20Initiative%20Board%20Update%2042021.pdf

sometimes when you evolve you lose cool things like prehensile tails
but fighting evolution does not guarantee you keep the tail, just that you gunk up an inevitable and necessary process

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

sometimes when you evolve you lose cool things like prehensile tails
but fighting evolution does not guarantee you keep the tail, just that you gunk up an inevitable and necessary process

Your analogy suggests that this is a passive process guided by whatever combination of heredity and chance goes into natural selection, and not an intentional act.

We're not outgrowing our prehensile tails over hundreds or thousands of generations, we're chopping off any tails we can find based on a moral panic over old stories of people with tails.