Loki Disney Plus - Trailer (2 Viewers)

[Taurus]

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Absolutely agree that there are more challenges, but I disagree on the reasoning. I'd say this is a nature (the lack of compelling characters in the chosen narrative) problem, not a nuture (society's willingness to accept the white guy storyline) problem.

Yea, but that's like saying "Sure this literal pile of sheet tastes terrible, but we put the best sprinkles and whipped cream in the world on top, so enjoy the elements you can!" The sheet ruins the sprinkles.

You can't smoke and mirrors your way to a great finale on a show that was built on incredible writing and dialogue. While the writing was great in the first part of the series, if the writing ceases to be great for the second half of the series, then the writing was never great to begin with.

The writing of the first part of the series should necessarily be setting up the writing of the end of the series. If it doesn't, then the writing in the first part of the series (in hindsight) is just as faulty as the writing at the end of the series.

Gotta disagree with the last bit, there. The writing in the first part was setting something up that the writers of the second part completely blew off. You can't make the success or quality of Part A dependent on whether those executing Part B are idiots or not.

 

[Complex Kid]

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[DaveXA]

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Especially with the "headband" and the blonde hair, I thought she very much had the look of the Enchantress from the comics, so this makes all kinds of sense. (imdb.com lists her merely as "The Variant")
I would say her appearance here is better evidence for the narrative that the MCU is choosing to ignore the previous TV material since the Enchantress appeared on AoS along with Lady Sif.
Of course, if she's a variant from a different timeline, what happened on AoS wouldn't matter, though.

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I don't know if it's still intentional or not, but Marvel Studios needs to focus on building their universe the way they want to, and if it happens that some of the TV shows overlap, then so be it. I'd rather they tell a good story than mess it up by trying to avoid some sort of tie in to older TV shows.

 

[JLaneSaints]

I am one of the people in the Kang camp, but from a chaotic point of view. I want ep 5 to reveal that Casey is Kang complete with a "It was Casey all along" song that is just different lyrics from the Wandavision song.

 

[Arathrael]

Just caught up with the first two episodes. Good stuff!

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even more messed up that that wasn’t what brought him around- that it was seeing the infinity stones that snapped him to reality

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That made sense to me. At the point he was seeing the replays of that part of his life first, it could all have been faked, as he was saying. But the infinity stones indicated it was real.

Some other things didn't make sense to me, or seemed at least really contrived, in the first episode; like, given how the TVA will reset timelines and prune variants at the drop of a hat (or the lack of a ticket), why would they even bother capturing variants in the first place? And how does it make any sense at all to ask a variant to plead 'guilty' or 'not guilty' to departing from their proper timeline when from their point of view they have no ability to distinguish between what is and isn't their proper timeline? (Yes, I get that it's illustrating a kafkaesque bureaucracy, it just seemed contrived). And would Loki really have not tried to use his magic at all until he was in the court room setting?

But those are minor quibbles really, and some of that might be addressed if we learn more about how the TVA came to be what it is anyway. The set-up of something can always be a bit clunky, and once it got past that, I thought it felt a lot smoother and really got going.

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He craves power and to see the most powerful objects in the universe sitting in a drawer, with copies no less, made him realize that he needed to respect the TVA. I also thought him seeing Thanos snap his neck did a number on him as well.

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Thanos snapping his neck has its own importance given that knowing he'd wind up dead like that in his own timeline would rule out going back into that timeline as is for Loki, if that was possible. But from the point of view of that Loki, seeing Thor telling him that he wasn't so bad, and Odin saying, "I love you my sons," would also have had its own impact on how he sees himself, and how he might act going forward.

For the infinity stones, I didn't see it as a, "these are really powerful, so the TVA must be really powerful" thing, I saw it as more of a, "these are real, so all of this TVA stuff must also be real," thing. Once you accept the existence of the TVA, the infinity stones aren't the most powerful objects in the universe, they're just the most powerful objects in a universe. The TVA having them doesn't make the TVA powerful in itself, they evidently can't even use them to the point where they're junk, and we've already seen - repeatedly - that beyond having the collars, reset bombs and the... actually, I'm not sure what they're called... prune sticks? Beyond having those, the TVA isn't especially powerful when its agents are in any given timeline. I don't think Loki is so much respecting the TVA as he is just recognising the reality of it.

Although I suspect the TVA must have a nuclear option beyond what we've seen, given that we've already seen them get dangerously close to a Nexus event passing a red line, so it's hard to believe it's never happened, and there's also the question of how they created the one sacred timeline in the first place.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I am one of the people in the Kang camp, but from a chaotic point of view. I want ep 5 to reveal that Casey is Kang complete with a "It was Casey all along" song that is just different lyrics from the Wandavision song.

and we find out that 'casey' is egyptian for 'fish'

 

[Arathrael]

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to the particular question, i don't think you show how small Thanos is (with bauble infinity stones) and then try to conquer Thanos - bad Loki is probably after TVA power

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How do we know (a) Loki hasn't already got it?

It's Lokis all the way down!

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Just caught up with the first two episodes. Good stuff!

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That made sense to me. At the point he was seeing the replays of that part of his life first, it could all have been faked, as he was saying. But the infinity stones indicated it was real.

Some other things didn't make sense to me, or seemed at least really contrived, in the first episode; like, given how the TVA will reset timelines and prune variants at the drop of a hat (or the lack of a ticket), why would they even bother capturing variants in the first place? And how does it make any sense at all to ask a variant to plead 'guilty' or 'not guilty' to departing from their proper timeline when from their point of view they have no ability to distinguish between what is and isn't their proper timeline? (Yes, I get that it's illustrating a kafkaesque bureaucracy, it just seemed contrived). And would Loki really have not tried to use his magic at all until he was in the court room setting?

But those are minor quibbles really, and some of that might be addressed if we learn more about how the TVA came to be what it is anyway. The set-up of something can always be a bit clunky, and once it got past that, I thought it felt a lot smoother and really got going.

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so seemingly the main battle in the show is order v chaos
so i think you have the court scene to show that order is in control - whether that's performative or not is one of the main tensions of the show i think

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

Slightly off-topic, but while waiting for the next episode of LOKI I started watching RAGNOROK on Netflix.

It's like a Norwegian/Norse mythology combo of 90210 and the Lost Boys. Its dubbed - which I hate- but you can switch it to Norwegian with English subtitles.

 

[Taurus]

so seemingly the main battle in the show is order v chaos
so i think you have the court scene to show that order is in control - whether that's performative or not is one of the main tensions of the show i think

Order vs Chaos or Predestination vs Freewill?

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Slightly off-topic, but while waiting for the next episode of LOKI I started watching RAGNOROK on Netflix.

It's like a Norwegian/Norse mythology combo of 90210 and the Lost Boys. Its dubbed - which I hate- but you can switch it to Norwegian with English subtitles.

it's kind of interesting that it seems 90% of US action drama shows are about drugs and the same % of mid to northern european shows are about energy/climate

i 'liked' Ragnorok but even the anti-corporate commie that i am was a bit beaten down by the climate backstory (can't remember my exact complaints but i think i just wanted it a bit more subtle)

 

[Arathrael]

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What I meant was that Thanos, a supreme power who killed him, would be nothing now. I didn't meant it as a revenge thing. Even though it would be possible. More that the infinity stones would be play things compared to controlling the timeline and being able to reset any reality.

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But is that really true?

What I mean is, for controlling the timeline and being able to reset any reality to have any personal meaning, you have to be part of that timeline and reality. Otherwise it's just something else; as with the TVA we've seen so far, they're just doing a job. They're outside the timelines and realities, and for the most part they appear to have no personal connection to them (souvenirs and a liking for jetskis aside).

But for someone who is part of a particular timeline and reality and wishes to continue to be so, they'd still be subject to the infinity stones of that reality; those would still be all-powerful within that reality.

So while in principle someone from a particular reality could use the power of the TVA to make the 'sacred timeline' to their own personal preferences, ensuring that the infinity stones within that reality are only used according to their desires (in theory... it's worth asking, say, whether had Thanos in possession of the infinity gauntlet been deemed to be a variant, the TVA could have stopped him, given that once in his reality they'd have been subject to his power?).

And even if they could, would that still be real and have personal meaning, or would it become meaningless through how it was created?

You know it's a good show when you can talk about the philosophical implications. Or is that just me?

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

it's kind of interesting that it seems 90% of US action drama shows are about drugs and the same % of mid to northern european shows are about energy/climate

i 'liked' Ragnorok but even the anti-corporate commie that i am was a bit beaten down by the climate backstory (can't remember my exact complaints but i think i just wanted it a bit more subtle)

Yes its definitely not subtle. But I'm enjoying it anyway.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Order vs Chaos or Predestination vs Freewill?

well i think they positing predestination/freewill as an offshoot of order v chaos

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mobius even said the end result for the timekeepers was order - which Loki obviously bristled at. we also see a few instances of mobius being a bit of an agent of chaos as well and certainly willing to use chaos to achieve order (in the classic grizzled cop who's willing to bend the rules to enforce them)

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Yes its definitely not subtle. But I'm enjoying it anyway.

im glad it got a s2
i'll probably start it after Doom Patrol