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Taurus said:
Gotta disagree with the last bit, there. The writing in the first part was setting something up that the writers of the second part completely blew off. You can't make the success or quality of Part A dependent on whether those executing Part B are idiots or not.
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Fair analysis. Point taken.
Taurus said:
Order vs Chaos or Predestination vs Freewill?
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Arathrael said:
What I mean is, for controlling the timeline and being able to reset any reality to have any personal meaning, you have to be part of that timeline and reality. Otherwise it's just something else; as with the TVA we've seen so far, they're just doing a job. They're outside the timelines and realities, and for the most part they appear to have no personal connection to them (souvenirs and a liking for jetskis aside).
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I read a fan theory on Redditt that the TVA workers could be variants that have been reprogramed to work for the TVA and this is why Hunter C-20 was saying "it's real, it's real" and "I want to go home". It would also explain why they go to "court" maybe they see if they are "TVA Material" and can be used.

It could be why Mobious is interested in jet-ski's, maybe he's just a dude that wandered out of his own timeline in the 90's and he still vaguely remembers jet skis under all of his TVA propaganda that he's been subject too.
 
Arathrael said:
Just caught up with the first two episodes. Good stuff!


That made sense to me. At the point he was seeing the replays of that part of his life first, it could all have been faked, as he was saying. But the infinity stones indicated it was real.

Some other things didn't make sense to me, or seemed at least really contrived, in the first episode; like, given how the TVA will reset timelines and prune variants at the drop of a hat (or the lack of a ticket), why would they even bother capturing variants in the first place? And how does it make any sense at all to ask a variant to plead 'guilty' or 'not guilty' to departing from their proper timeline when from their point of view they have no ability to distinguish between what is and isn't their proper timeline? (Yes, I get that it's illustrating a kafkaesque bureaucracy, it just seemed contrived). And would Loki really have not tried to use his magic at all until he was in the court room setting?

But those are minor quibbles really, and some of that might be addressed if we learn more about how the TVA came to be what it is anyway. The set-up of something can always be a bit clunky, and once it got past that, I thought it felt a lot smoother and really got going.


Thanos snapping his neck has its own importance given that knowing he'd wind up dead like that in his own timeline would rule out going back into that timeline as is for Loki, if that was possible. But from the point of view of that Loki, seeing Thor telling him that he wasn't so bad, and Odin saying, "I love you my sons," would also have had its own impact on how he sees himself, and how he might act going forward.

For the infinity stones, I didn't see it as a, "these are really powerful, so the TVA must be really powerful" thing, I saw it as more of a, "these are real, so all of this TVA stuff must also be real," thing. Once you accept the existence of the TVA, the infinity stones aren't the most powerful objects in the universe, they're just the most powerful objects in a universe. The TVA having them doesn't make the TVA powerful in itself, they evidently can't even use them to the point where they're junk, and we've already seen - repeatedly - that beyond having the collars, reset bombs and the... actually, I'm not sure what they're called... prune sticks? Beyond having those, the TVA isn't especially powerful when its agents are in any given timeline. I don't think Loki is so much respecting the TVA as he is just recognising the reality of it.

Although I suspect the TVA must have a nuclear option beyond what we've seen, given that we've already seen them get dangerously close to a Nexus event passing a red line, so it's hard to believe it's never happened, and there's also the question of how they created the one sacred timeline in the first place.
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After seeing the infinity stones in the desk drawer, he asks if this is the greatest power in the universe. It's pretty cut and dry here, he always viewed the stones as the epitome of power and in the TVA they're nothing. If he didn't think the TVA was real then he wouldn't have gotten worried when he saw that one agent erase that variant over not having a ticket. He made sure to find it.
 
I think Loki has a personal stake in resetting his on timeline...saving his mother and therefore Odin, also preventing Thanos from snapping his neck. This is why he is trying to take control of the TVA. Not saying that the power wouldn't go to his head. Also, am I the only one that doesn't think Sophia has the right "look" for the part of Variant/Enchantress? In my mind's eye I see someone closer to Cate Blanchet. She just doesn't seem sinister enough.
 
Scorpius the Allfather said:
After seeing the infinity stones in the desk drawer, he asks if this is the greatest power in the universe. It's pretty cut and dry here, he always viewed the stones as the epitome of power and in the TVA they're nothing. If he didn't think the TVA was real then he wouldn't have gotten worried when he saw that one agent erase that variant over not having a ticket. He made sure to find it.
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I think perhaps I was a bit unclear. He also said, before that, "I know what this place is. It's an illusion. It's a cruel, elaborate trick conjured by the weak to inspire fear. A desperate attempt at control." He could think that the TVA are a group that's captured him, that are preventing him from using magic, that could even kill him, while also believing that they're lying about who they are, what they do, and, in particular, that the images they're showing him of his mother being killed are fake. He thought (or wanted to believe) some or all of it was lies, in particular the (from his perspective) future timeline they were showing him.

So I felt the big significance of the infinity stones was convincing him that it was real. Personally I took the "is this the greatest power in the universe" line as more of a throwaway thing, especially in the context of Casey being the one having them, but I can see how it could be taken as Loki literally expressing the notion that the possession of the stones indicates the TVA are the greatest power in the universe. But even if you take it that way, I think the significance of convincing him of the reality of the situation is more significant; his immediate action right after he finds the Tesseract and the other infinity stones is to go and watch the rest of his timeline. And recognising the reality of the situation and the power of the TVA doesn't mean he respects them; he then messes around with the TVA hunter. I don't think Loki is really the respecting power type.
 
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You know those three big face statue things? I'm pretty sure the one on the left is Mephisto. Right?
 
Torgo said:
I think Loki brings down the TVA and that's what leads to the Multiverse of Madness.
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trying to wrap my head around this and also 'sacred' timeline
if Mobius is already talking about another Loki so that means more than one timeline
plus there were many infinity stones, obviously from other timelines
so we already have a multiverse...
oh...so maybe the 'madness' is what Enchantress is trying to create - the branchings connect to other timelines
the madness is things being able to cross back and forth across timelines

also Spiderham is canon until MCU states otherwise
 
guidomerkinsrules said:
trying to wrap my head around this and also 'sacred' timeline
if Mobius is already talking about another Loki so that means more than one timeline
plus there were many infinity stones, obviously from other timelines
so we already have a multiverse...
oh...so maybe the 'madness' is what Enchantress is trying to create - the branchings connect to other timelines
the madness is things being able to cross back and forth across timelines

also Spiderham is canon until MCU states otherwise
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SpiderHam's existence is ridiculous and I love it.
 
guidomerkinsrules said:
trying to wrap my head around this and also 'sacred' timeline
if Mobius is already talking about another Loki so that means more than one timeline
plus there were many infinity stones, obviously from other timelines
so we already have a multiverse...
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I'm still not completely wrapping my head around it either, but the other Lokis were Variants. That would mean they were identified by the TVA, and presumably, their time branch deleted. So, they are preventing the existence of a Multiverse. That's how I'm loosely understanding it, but I've been wrong many times before.
 
Torgo said:
I'm still not completely wrapping my head around it either, but the other Lokis were Variants. That would mean they were identified by the TVA, and presumably, their time branch deleted. So, they are preventing the existence of a Multiverse. That's how I'm loosely understanding it, but I've been wrong many times before.
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That sounds right to me.
 

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